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Old 26.02.2018, 09:39
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

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The number of years hat I've been in Switzerland is more than that of my husband. Technically he is on my dependant Visa.
Though in terms of 'integration'. He is far better than me currently on C2 level of German. I'm at B2.
We checked with our Gemeinde as a first hand information, they told us the below:


"Eine Einbürgerung als Familie ist nur möglich, wenn alle die Niederlassungsbewilligung C besitzen und alle seit mindestens 10 Jahren Wohnsitz in der Schweiz vorweisen können. Zum jetzigen Zeitpunkt können sich nur Ihre Frau und Ihr Kind einbürgern lassen. "
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Old 26.02.2018, 11:14
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Thanks Love Doctor for the tip.


Thank you for the tip.


The number of years hat I've been in Switzerland is more than that of my husband. Technically he is on my dependant Visa.
Though in terms of 'integration'. He is far better than me currently on C2 level of German. I'm at B2.
We checked with our Gemeinde as a first hand information, they told us the below:


"Eine Einbürgerung als Familie ist nur möglich, wenn alle die Niederlassungsbewilligung C besitzen und alle seit mindestens 10 Jahren Wohnsitz in der Schweiz vorweisen können. Zum jetzigen Zeitpunkt können sich nur Ihre Frau und Ihr Kind einbürgern lassen. "
Yes that's exactly it. Under the new rules all adults and children over 12 who are included on the application have to fulfil all the requirements. A spouse who has lived here for less than the required number of years cannot be included and will have to make an independant application at a later date.
We will be in the same position. My husband will be eligible to apply next January but I only moved here 18 months after him so couldn't be included in the application should be choose to make it.
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Facilitated takes 1-2 years
In which canton are you referring to? I plan on applying for non-facilitated naturalization.
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

Some good experience from my side

I'm in Zürich, Gemeinde Bonstetten. We (family of 4) have applied year ago - February 2017. In December, we had interview, which was one really short (20min) and relaxing conversation. It was surprising, that kids were invited too. My german is far away from perfect. Wife is speaking better. Anyway, one week later, we have received bill 1100 CHF (2x500 (adults only) plus some 100 CHF fee). Few days ago came similar 1000 CHF bill from kanton. Next stepo is that Bundes... amt confirm this and we will be "swissed".

I have to say, we really had very pleasant experience.
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Old 26.02.2018, 11:51
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

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Are you saying that under the old law they would have obliged the family to apply as a whole unit?
Neither old nor new law says that the family must or should apply as unit.

But, if you apply for C-Permit the whole family must apply and meet the criteria.

Source, the law: https://www.admin.ch/gov/de/start/bu...-sammlung.html
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

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But, if you apply for C-Permit the whole family must apply and meet the criteria.
No. As far as federal law is concerned, this is completely wrong.

AuG Art 34 mentions nothing of the sort, VZAE Art 60 and 61 mention that only for an early C permit on grounds of good integration (after just 5 years) the integration degree of family members will be considered (Art 62.2 VZAE). Note that the emphasis is on the integration degree, not other requirements such as the time lived in Switzerland.
And when applying for a normal C-permit after 10 years, I don't think the circumstances of family members matter at all.

It's really up to the canton how to interpret Art 62.2 of VZAE for an early C permit. For example:
Kanton Zürich explicitly allows one to apply for an early C permit when not all family members satisfy the requirements (see the last paragraph of 5.1 here), but it requires other family members who are not applying to demonstrate good integration in form of at least an A2 German certificate, as well as debt register/criminal record/social welfare certificates.

Kanton Schwyz explicitly requires the whole family to satisfy the requirements before applying, see the second paragraph of 4.2 here.

Your link doesn't link to any law, it leads to the search page for Swiss federal laws.
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Old 10.03.2018, 21:38
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

so for the comedy factor, please be aware that you need a recent copy of your birth certificate. i thought they were joking when i asked - "do you mean i need to be reborn!"

No apparently there's an issue/printed date which is on the birth cetificate that needs to be within the last 6 months, even though the one i gave them had an embossed seal!

this takes about a month to get an is only valid for 6 months.
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

OBone the same applies to other documents, like the attestations saying your taxes are paid, you don’t have criminal record and are not a crook.
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Old 11.03.2018, 10:54
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

Process for us it took about 6 months start to finish, cost a total of about 3K. They were most interested in our ability to speak high German and understand Swiss German, participation in local village activities, and knowledge of political issues on the Kanton level. Very little asked about Federal level. Luckily I had been dragged in to do photos/website for my daughter's sports club so that gave me my in. I think they are most interested that our kids become Swiss, and we were just riding along with them. We passed. Read in the local newspaper a list of others who were accepted.. a diverse range of nationalities incl. Russian, Balkans, etc.
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

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IMHO limited validity makes sense for taxes paid, criminal record, etc. But for a birth certificate this seems quite OTT, these data are static.
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Old 11.03.2018, 23:36
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IMHO limited validity makes sense for taxes paid, criminal record, etc. But for a birth certificate this seems quite OTT, these data are static.
The data itself is static, but it is easier to verify the authenticity of a recent extract.
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

I once asked them about that birth certificate not being older than 6 months... and answer I got was... 'You could have been adopted' - made me smile
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... and provided you speak French fluently.

We can help you with your French and well as prepare to sit the citizenship/naturalisation exam:
How about some English first?
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Just a simple typo!
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

HI there. I will be applying in Geneva on Jan 26th. I went to the office to ask them what documents I will need but they said they can't answer any questions until Jan 26th, the day I become eligible.

Does anyone have a list of documents and any particularities concerning those documents that GE asked for? I of course have downloaded the list online but I don't know if things need to be translated, etc.

For instance, the lady did tell me that while I did correctly obtain the attestation of residence for my previous two communes, they were not sufficient because they did not state the type of permit that I had whilst I was living there.

Any tips in this regard or a copy of the "yellow paper" checklist that will be given to me on Jan 26th would really help out. I travel so much with my job and I want to request as many docs as possible before hand.
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

Quick question for you..... My husband and I have lived it Ticino for 5 years. He is a Swiss citizen that was born here. I have held a B Permit since we came. My understanding is that I can now apply for a C Permit. Can anyone tell me at what point will I be allowed to apply for Swiss citizenship?
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

Now.

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Now.
Given they got married more than three years ago.

C permit rejected in ZH
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Now.

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Thanks for the info because getting strait answers from government officials here is very difficult. Now, one last thing that I want to be clear on. I made the mistake of not jumping on the language skills when I got here. I am now doing that with great success but am not confident (at the moment) for language skills tests. Another 6 months will take care of that. But I need to renew my permit in the next 2.5 months. Would you suggest that I apply for the C Permit now and then apply for citizenship in the Spring?
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Old 10.10.2018, 09:36
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But I need to renew my permit in the next 2.5 months. Would you suggest that I apply for the C Permit now and then apply for citizenship in the Spring?
Do you need a language certificate for the C permit? For citizens of some countries that is required
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