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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

Does anyone know if Canotonal residence requirements for minimium stay in your commune of application still apply after 1.1.2018 or is that a thing of past?

ex: moving within ZH, but to another gemeinde required a minimum stay of 2 years until 2017.

Not sure if that still applies as I could only find the link below which states requirements until 31.12.2017: https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...tzfristen.html
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

It says:

Für Fragen zu den Einbürgerungsvoraussetzungen im Verfahren der ordentlichen Einbürgerung wende ich mich an die zuständige kommunale oder kantonale Behörde an meinem Wohnort.

You need to check with the town you live in. Where I live (Kanton Zurich), they still require 2 years residence.
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Does anyone know if Canotonal residence requirements for minimium stay in your commune of application still apply after 1.1.2018 or is that a thing of past?
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Art. 18 Cantonal and communal length of residence

1 The cantonal legislation shall provide for a minimum length of residence of between two and five years.

2 In the event that the applicant moves to another commune or another canton, the canton and the commune in which an application for naturalisation is made remain responsible if they have concluded their assessment of the naturalisation requirements in Articles 11 and 12.
https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a18

ZH canton law:
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§ 23
1 Die Gemeinde nimmt Schweizer Bürgerinnen und Bürger
auf Gesuch hin in ihr Bürgerrecht auf, wenn diese
a. seit mindestens zwei Jahren in der Gemeinde Wohnsitz haben
[...]
2 Ist die Bewerberin oder der Bewerber zwischen 16 und 25 Jahre
alt, genügen neben den übrigen Voraussetzungen zwei Jahre Wohnsitz
im Kanton.
http://www2.zhlex.zh.ch/appl/zhlex_r...23.8.17_99.pdf
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Useful info. Thanks for your quick responses!
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

I will ask this at my Gemeinde, but I thought I'd post my question here first and possibly save myself a trip


My situation: US citizen married to a Swiss guy (9 years), we've lived in Basel Stadt for almost 6 years. I have a C permit.

I visited the Gemeinde last summer to confirm the list of documents I would need to apply for citizenship. The woman I spoke with insisted that have a language certificate (A2/B1), even though (or because?) we conducted our meeting in German.

My husband's Heimat is Zürich, and therefore my new Heimat will also be Zürich. Since my Heimat will not be Basel Stadt, I am wondering if I need to remain living in BS? I would like to move to BL, but I don't know at which point I will be free to move.

My guess is that once I submit all of my documentation, I could move. However, I would hate to jeopardise this just because I'd like a change of scenery sooner than later

Just curious if anyone here has this experience. Otherwise, I'll stop by the Gemeinde again....
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My situation: US citizen married to a Swiss guy (9 years), we've lived in Basel Stadt for almost 6 years. I have a C permit.

I visited the Gemeinde last summer to confirm the list of documents I would need to apply for citizenship. The woman I spoke with insisted that have a language certificate (A2/B1), even though (or because?) we conducted our meeting in German.
If you go the facilitated route, the process will be through the federal government. The commune is not really involved and thus changing place of residence should not be a big issue.

That you need a language certificate for at least B1 spoken, A2 written comes from the new law and ordinance. See tab Documents at
https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...uergerung.html for more detailed information when you need a language certificate and which are accepted.
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

^ What he said. You can move whenever you want. AFAIK all you'll do is pay for the change of residence as you would any time you move.

Keep in mind the local municipality is the one that does the interview. If you're on friendly terms with your existing muni, it might be "easier" to stay there in terms of the interview where you show your integration.

From the posts I've seen on EF about the process in Zurich, it sounds like the police pop by at some unknown hour to check your relationship and ask a few questions. In my muni (Kt Bern) it was a scheduled interview at the local police station.

In terms of the language certificate, you probably can't go wrong if you go with one of the approved schools for Basel or Zurich (depending on where you choose to start the process).

A few of my posts from other threads relating to language certificates for C permit, but that should be relevant here:

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The BS website says A2 written and B1 oral. I could be wrong but I *think* that means you only need an A2 certificate and the B1 they determine based on how you do in the interview.

The list on the website says you can do a cantonal Sprachstandanalyse (SSA), Telc, Goethe, ÖSD, or fide. I've heard of the middle three but I don't know anything about the cantonal SSA or fide. Thankfully the site hotlinks all of them:

SSA: http://www.buergergemeindebasel.ch/d...hstandanalyse/
Telc: https://www.telc.net/
Goethe: https://www.goethe.de/de/index.html
ÖSD: https://www.osd.at/
Fide: https://www.fide-info.ch/

And here's the BS web page for naturalization in case you want to look up anything else: http://www.bdm.bs.ch/Einbuergerung/I...tion3_section3

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Zurich also limits the German test to a few specific organizations. You can take classes/lessons at any school, but the test must be from one of these:

Telc: https://www.telc.net/

Goethe: https://www.goethe.de/de/index.html

ÖSD: https://www.osd.at/

TestDaf: www.testdaf.de
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

Thanks to aSwissInTheUS and 3Wishes

I'm not too worried about the certificate. I've already signed up for testing in January at one of the recommended sites, and my level is about B2, although with a few holes, I'm sure

Interesting to know about the process being at the Federal level, and that the interview would take place based on my current residence. Now if only I had an idea of how long until the interview after I submit my application... Not that I'm in a hurry to move, but I like to make plans

Ok, back to getting my documents in order. Thanks again!
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Thanks to aSwissInTheUS and 3Wishes

I'm not too worried about the certificate. I've already signed up for testing in January at one of the recommended sites, and my level is about B2, although with a few holes, I'm sure

Interesting to know about the process being at the Federal level, and that the interview would take place based on my current residence. Now if only I had an idea of how long until the interview after I submit my application... Not that I'm in a hurry to move, but I like to make plans

Ok, back to getting my documents in order. Thanks again!
I went through this back in 2016 in Bern, so my memory might be fuzzy and might not be all that relevant given where you're living and want to live. I submitted the application around September and the interview was in February(ish?). Roundabout 5 months. Officially Swiss in June. Total process was about 9 months.
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I went through this back in 2016 in Bern, so my memory might be fuzzy and might not be all that relevant given where you're living and want to live. I submitted the application around September and the interview was in February(ish?). Roundabout 5 months. Officially Swiss in June. Total process was about 9 months.

Yes, that whole "depends on the Canton" thing - but 9 months? That's the fastest I've ever heard of!

I've only heard that once I submit everything that I will need to wait 1.5 - 2 years. Perhaps I shall do that: submit and wait. Once I have an interview, then I can start to consider other locations
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Yes, that whole "depends on the Canton" thing - but 9 months? That's the fastest I've ever heard of!

I've only heard that once I submit everything that I will need to wait 1.5 - 2 years. Perhaps I shall do that: submit and wait. Once I have an interview, then I can start to consider other locations
I received a written reply within the first month saying it could take up to two years, so I think that's just standard CYA language the authorities use. At the interview, the officer said it would take another 6 months max.

I also think my case was fairly straightforward/easy. When we first moved here, we were registered and living in my husband's Heimatort. We moved to our current location a few months later and haven't left. Both locations within the same Canton.

At that time, there wasn't a language certificate requirement (lucky me!). The authorities didn't need to chase any paperwork because we had it all ready before sending the application.

In your case, you could ask the municipality if you can submit everything else now before the holidays, and add the language certificate in January when you receive it. No harm in asking, right??
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In your case, you could ask the municipality if you can submit everything else now before the holidays, and add the language certificate in January when you receive it. No harm in asking, right??
Not a bad approach.

And I think that my application *should" be straight forward as well. He's Swiss and we've lived in BS without interruption for (what will be) six years. What could possibly go wrong?
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

I wonder if there is anyone here who began the ordinary naturalisation process in Wallis/Valais during 2018 and how far they have come in the process? I have been told that all 2018 applications are not being progressed because the process has altered and a new one is not yet in place. Has anyone else heard this?
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

Would be great to get your advise.
I first lived in CH from 2009 to 2011 (roughly 2 years) on B permit.
Then I moved to Singapore and came back in 2013 (was told that my B permit was frozen).
Have been in CH since and just recd my C Permit (non EU).
Partner is Swiss who asked if I would be keen think about citizenship.
In light of the new rules, what I dont know is whether they will count the period from 2013 onwards or take the 02 earlier years in account as well when I was in CH. Anyone has any insights. Much appreciated.
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Yes I am in the same boat. Collecting all the needed information and plan to apply it this month.
I am based out of Zurich, would be applying for myself and son, as husband is yet to receive c permit and does not qualify yet.
Hi Miss_Bean

I am in the same boat, with my OH awaiting C pemit eligibility in 4 months and me having the C already.

Since I am also planning to apply for myself and my son in ZH, I am eager to learn how far are you with the process and your experience so far?

TIA!
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Nonsense. My spouse is from a country that only allows dual citizenship if the spouse has the other citizenship. My child and I have applied and got it. My spouse will start the process sometime in the future.

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Just came across this by chance and thought I would give you a word of warning about applying for citizenship while married where only you and your son are applying but your husband not. As far as I’ve been told you would have to apply together and I’ve heard examples where one partner is fully integrated etc but they both get rejected because the other partner is not.

So seek further advice before you waste time and money on this. I am not an expert just repeating what I have been told from very reliable sources. (Assuming I understood correctly as this was dinner conversation type of info)
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Re: Applying for Swiss Citizenship

I will be mailing in my application this week There was a long delay on the language certificate, and I wanted to have everything bundled together when I mail it in.


Now for my question: Payment. I am assuming that the appropriate parties will send me a bill when they begin to review my application. However, I wouldn't mind someone confirming this, so I can pop that envelop in the mail with a little more ease of mind
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Nonsense. My spouse is from a country that only allows dual citizenship if the spouse has the other citizenship. My child and I have applied and got it. My spouse will start the process sometime in the future.
The post you're replying to is a year old. Based on posts in 2019 it is clear that spouses do not have to apply together.

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I will be mailing in my application this week There was a long delay on the language certificate, and I wanted to have everything bundled together when I mail it in.

Now for my question: Payment. I am assuming that the appropriate parties will send me a bill when they begin to review my application. However, I wouldn't mind someone confirming this, so I can pop that envelop in the mail with a little more ease of mind
Yes, you'll get a bill. Don't worry about that.

In my case, it was a registered letter that I had to pay in order to receive, and the Postie wouldn't tell me in advance who sent it. Fortunately I'd read about it on EF so I knew it was okay to pay the dough. I am not sure if it's the same procedure for regular naturalization as it was for me with facilitated.
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Yes, you'll get a bill. Don't worry about that.

In my case, it was a registered letter that I had to pay in order to receive, and the Postie wouldn't tell me in advance who sent it. Fortunately I'd read about it on EF so I knew it was okay to pay the dough. I am not sure if it's the same procedure for regular naturalization as it was for me with facilitated.
Thank you!

Mine is also facilitated. And I don't expect too many bills to come via the Post for the approximate amount I expect to have to spend, but still, nice to know how the process was for you!

Now to just sit back and wait. And wait. And wait. (I hope that all of the reports of 1.5 - 2 years aren't entirely true!)
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Thank you!

Mine is also facilitated. And I don't expect too many bills to come via the Post for the approximate amount I expect to have to spend, but still, nice to know how the process was for you!

Now to just sit back and wait. And wait. And wait. (I hope that all of the reports of 1.5 - 2 years aren't entirely true!)
You'll be fine. BTW the first letter, about a month-ish after the application, that was free. The letter saying the decision was positive and I'd soon be Swiss, THAT one was the expensive one.
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