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Old 15.03.2018, 21:49
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Re: job seekers permit

Thanks Medea, you´re right.

Still, isn´t this

The key to employment is that the activity is of particular scientific or economic importance

difficult to prove?
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Old 15.03.2018, 21:51
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Probably. There's no guidelines as to what "scientific or economic importance" means with regard to a particular job so it's just down to the Swiss authorities to decide whether it meets the (very vague) criteria or not.
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yes finally some hope thank you very much
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Thanks Medea, you´re right.

Still, isn´t this

The key to employment is that the activity is of particular scientific or economic importance

difficult to prove?
Correct. That's why if you get a job as an assistant lecturer in a state university you are directly given a C permit. If you study medecine and find a job in any of the cantonal hospitals you are given a permit, but if its a private ompany, then it becomes a bit complicated as they can say that such skill set can easily be found in the EU. So, its possible but difficult
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Non-EUs can't study medicine here anyway so that's a moot point.
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Non-EUs can't study medicine here anyway so that's a moot point.
Really ? Checkout the admission conditions from non EU's here: http://www.unige.ch/admissions/sinsc...idatnonsuisse/

And if you one day visit Geneva and want to be specifically treated by a doctor from non EU just hit me a peivate message. I have lots of non EU friends that are practicing doctors.
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Old 16.03.2018, 09:50
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Really ? Checkout the admission conditions from non EU's here: http://www.unige.ch/admissions/sinsc...idatnonsuisse/

And if you one day visit Geneva and want to be specifically treated by a doctor from non EU just hit me a peivate message. I have lots of non EU friends that are practicing doctors.
Practicing and having your degree acknowledged is completely different from studying medicin here
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Old 16.03.2018, 09:59
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Really ? Checkout the admission conditions from non EU's here: http://www.unige.ch/admissions/sinsc...idatnonsuisse/

And if you one day visit Geneva and want to be specifically treated by a doctor from non EU just hit me a peivate message. I have lots of non EU friends that are practicing doctors.
Did you read the conditions? Have to be a Swiss/Lichtenstein national or someone who's lived in Switzerland for many years. So they would already have a permit. A non-EU who doesn't meet that criteria wouldn't be accepted to study medicine.
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That's why if you get a job as an assistant lecturer in a state university you are directly given a C permit.
Pedant alert: Not quite.

See this from University of St Gallen:

https://www.unisg.ch/de/universitaet...ltsbewilligung

Roughly translating the first few paragraph, my italics:

According to practice, professors who teach at the university are immediately granted a settlement permit C. Assistant professors elected by the Government Council also receive the settlement permit with their election.

On the other hand, teachers employed by universities under their own responsibility are subject to the ordinary provisions on the granting of a residence permit.


/pedant alert.
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Yes, though you may not have as much as 6 months. I think they count that from your graduation date so if it takes a couple of months from graduation to rejection of the permit you'd only get a maximum of 4 months for further job hunting.
Not necesserily. I got 6 months from the last permit expiry, which is effectively 7.5 months after graduation (defence date). I guess I was lucky, though.

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The employer has to show any way that no Swiss/EU candidate could be found. Which is often quite difficult for entry level jobs
BSc - difficult, MSc with some internships - easier, PhD - easy, but there are 1.5 jobs that fit your profile.

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No, they don't. This is a non-EU graduating from a Swiss uni so they are on an equal footing when it comes to...

"Parliament passed the Neirynck initiative on June 18, 2010, a parliamentary initiative aimed at amending article 21 of the Foreign Nationals Act. .
From my experience about 20-30% of employers know about this law, although it is 7 years old. I even had to explain this to HR of one multinational company.

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Re: job seekers permit

hope i can some how get lucky too.fingers crossed so i can still get a job seekers permit anyway?
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Probably. There's no guidelines as to what "scientific or economic importance" means with regard to a particular job so it's just down to the Swiss authorities to decide whether it meets the (very vague) criteria or not.
There are. Thery are still relatively vague.

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c) Hohes wissenschaftliches lnteresse:
In Frage kommen qualifizierte Wissenschaftlerinnen und Wissenschaftler in Bereichen, in
denen sie ihre erworbenen Fahigkeiten auf hohem Niveau ausuben konnen. Es handelt sich
dabei in der Regel um wissenschaftliche Arbeiten in der Forschung und Entwicklung, in der
Anwendung neuer Technologien oder um die Anwendung von erworbenem Know-how in
Tatigkeitsgebieten von hohem wirtschaftlichem lnteresse.

d) Hohes wirtschaftliches lnteresse:
Ein hohes wirtschaftliches lnteresse kann vorliegen, wenn fUr die abgeschlossene Fachrichtung
ein ausgewiesener Bedarf auf dem Arbeitsmarkt besteht, die abgeschlossene Fachrichtung
hoch spezialisiert ist und auf die Stelle zugeschnitten ist, die Besetzung der Stelle im
Rahmen einer Projektinvestition unmittelbar zusatzliche Stellen schafft oder neue Auftrage
fUr die Schweizer Wirtschaft generiert.
Basically this means you should work with emerging technologies and/or use your technical skills acquired in Switzerland for that job (RnD, engineering etc.). Or your job has to create new contracts or jobs (sales or project management, as I read this).
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Old 16.03.2018, 14:40
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hope i can some how get lucky too.fingers crossed so i can still get a job seekers permit anyway?
If I understand your previous posts correctly, you've got an employer trying for a permit for you right now. In that case, you sit back and wait. AFAIK, you can't have two permit requests in at the same time.

If this employer is able to secure a permit for you then you go to work for them. Simple. If they don't get a permit, then you apply for a job seeker's permit.

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Re: job seekers permit

Guys does it matter in which canton u got your degree? while applying for a job seekers permit.some guy just told me i have to apply to the canton i was studying???
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Well, yes, since that's the canton you're resident in. It doesn't matter for job hunting, you can apply for jobs anywhere in Switzerland.
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Can one apply for job seeker permit when coming to Switzerland while having no job secured?One is EU citizen.
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Old 16.10.2019, 21:39
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Can one apply for job seeker permit when coming to Switzerland while having no job secured?One is EU citizen.
You can be here for up to 3 months as a tourist to look for work. If you haven't found one after that period you can then apply for a job seeker permit for another 3 months providing you have the funds to support yourself.
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You can be here for up to 3 months as a tourist to look for work. If you haven't found one after that period you can then apply for a job seeker permit for another 3 months providing you have the funds to support yourself.
What about applying for job seeker permit immediately upon arrival in Switzerland? Reason is to
a) claim unemployment benefits (worked at least 12 months in CH in last 24 months)
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What about applying for job seeker immediately upon arrival in Switzerland? Reason is to
a) claim unemployment benefits (worked at least 12 months in CH in last 24 months)
and b)access to swiss health care system
You want to move back to Switzerland just to get unemployment benefits? Wow

Afaik you can only get the job seekers permit after having looked for jobs for 3 months.
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Re: job seekers permit

Aren't unemployment benefits calculated on the more recent months worked?

i.e. if you worked 12 months but have been gone 12 months you're not going to get much, unless you'd also been earning/contributing in an EU country in the time since you left CH?
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