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L to B permit conversion specific case

Hi all,

This forum has been very helpfull and alreayd have several threads on it but i was not able to find answer to specific questions hence posting here.
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Current status:
I am an non-eu based employee deputed to work with client in switzerland.My L work permit will complete its 2 years in August 2018.
If i found a new employer who is ready to convert my existing L to B then actually how it works,

Questions:
1. Will new emploer shoudl apply for my L to B conversion? or can the new employer apply for fresh "B"?
2. My existing employer may not be interested to support for anything as i am quiting him does existing empoer play important role?
3. Should i resign once my L to B is approved and then join new employer?
Actually i am little confised how over all process runs itself.

Overall : When a person is still with valid L permit and finds a new empooer who is ready to apply from L to B then what is the exact process
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Old 14.03.2018, 10:15
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Hi all,

This forum has been very helpfull and alreayd have several threads on it but i was not able to find answer to specific questions hence posting here.
Please help

Current status:
I am an non-eu based employee deputed to work with client in switzerland.My L work permit will complete its 2 years in August 2018.
If i found a new employer who is ready to convert my existing L to B then actually how it works,

Questions:
1. Will new emploer shoudl apply for my L to B conversion? or can the new employer apply for fresh "B"?
2. My existing employer may not be interested to support for anything as i am quiting him does existing empoer play important role?
3. Should i resign once my L to B is approved and then join new employer?
Actually i am little confised how over all process runs itself.

Overall : When a person is still with valid L permit and finds a new empooer who is ready to apply from L to B then what is the exact process
Your (new) employer will apply for a permit. What you get depends on the decision of the authorities.

And do not resign before you were granted a new permit.
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Your (new) employer will apply for a permit. What you get depends on the decision of the authorities.

And do not resign before you were granted a new permit.
Ok excellent answer so,
1. When new employer applies consider he applies for B permit but are there chances authorities can still give "L" ?
2. If authorities give "L" and after 2 years should new employer again apply for L to B?
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Re: L to B permit conversion specific case

Where's Medea? Don't non-EU L permit holders have to take a break before they are allowed to switch to B? I seem to recall that's the case but I could be wrong.
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Where's Medea? Don't non-EU L permit holders have to take a break before they are allowed to switch to B? I seem to recall that's the case but I could be wrong.
From L to B break is required if you have already traveled back to your native country. If you are still in swiss and someone is ready to sponsor you job then above situations comes to picture. This is my understanding. May be people can correct me if wrong
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From L to B break is required if you have already traveled back to your native country. If you are still in swiss and someone is ready to sponsor you job then above situations comes to picture. This is my understanding. May be people can correct me if wrong
No, afaik it can still happen after 2 years on an L permit. Even when you are in Switzerland.
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No, afaik it can still happen after 2 years on an L permit. Even when you are in Switzerland.
sorry i did not understand consider a situation a person is on "L" work permit still working with one of employer and decided to change job. Another employer is ready to hire him and applies work permit for him then i dont think so cooling of period comes in to picture
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sorry i did not understand consider a situation a person is on "L" work permit still working with one of employer and decided to change job. Another employer is ready to hire him and applies work permit for him then i dont think so cooling of period comes in to picture
It could well be for a non EU person on an L permit. But then OP can let us know how it worked out.
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It could well be for a non EU person on an L permit. But then OP can let us know how it worked out.
OP means? sorry i am very new to all these terms, i am still confused,

In the condition where "an person is working on valid L work permit and gets another employer who can sponsor B work permit then,
1. Is cooling off period of one year for non eu is mandatory ?
2. Can new employer apply for B for him?
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OP means? sorry i am very new to all these terms, i am still confused,

In the condition where "an person is working on valid L work permit and gets another employer who can sponsor B work permit then,
1. Is cooling off period of one year for non eu is mandatory ?
2. Can new employer apply for B for him?
Again, an employer cannot apply for a B permit, an employer applies for a permit (unless you are a university professor who almost automatically seem to get a C permit)
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Re: L to B permit conversion specific case

Oops is that so...i am now more confused. So if a person comes to Switzerland on L permit works for almost 1 plus year and he found a new job who can sponsor him B permit and hire him this person has no chance to get hired and mandatory needs to go back to his native country after 2 years.
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Re: L to B permit conversion specific case

Nobody can sponsor a B permit. A company can sponsor a permit, what you get depends on the authorities.
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Re: L to B permit conversion specific case

oops my mistake if i have confused when i say employer i mean another company so let me make more clear as i have confused my apologies guys sorry if i am coming up again because i am not clear, please dont take me wrong and help me.

In the condition where "an person is working on valid L work permit and gets job in another company who can sponsor B work permit then,
1. Is cooling off period of one year for non eu is still mandatory ?
2. Does he needs to resign and accept contract with new company once B permit application is approved?
3. Is it completely left to authorities to give him B or L again with new company?
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Read carefully. This is effectively a new permit application and no employer is EVER able to apply for a specific type of permit. For EU nationals it depends on the length of the contract - less than a year and they get an L, more than a year and they get a B. For non-EU's it's governed by the quotas (less B's than L's to start with) and the particular job the application's for too. You prospective new employer might say they'd like a B, but it's entirely down to the cantonal/Federal authorities what they give them, assuming they approve it in the first place. You may well end up with another L which would be valid for a year and indeed could be extended for a second again.

The Foreign Nationals Act specifies:

"Chapter 6: Regulation of the Period of stay
Art. 32 Short stay permit


1 The short stay permit is granted for limited periods of stay of up to one year.
2 It is granted for a specific purpose of stay and may be made subject to additional conditions.
3 It may be extended by up to two years. A change of job is only possible for good cause.
4 The short stay permit may only be granted again after an appropriate interruption of stay in Switzerland."

Whether they would consider a new application under 3 where the new employer has to have a very good reason to be able to hire you I don't know since your permit is going to expire soon anyway.

Also the break rule may be applied. I get the feeling the Swiss may be clamping down on non-EU L permit holders finding another job here without that break more than they used to.

And no, do not resign your current job until there's confirmation that a new permit has been granted. Otherwise you will end up with no current job, may not be granted the permit and will have to leave the country.
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Read carefully. This is effectively a new permit application and no employer is EVER able to apply for a specific type of permit. For EU nationals it depends on the length of the contract - less than a year and they get an L, more than a year and they get a B. For non-EU's it's governed by the quotas (less B's than L's to start with) and the particular job the application's for too. You prospective new employer might say they'd like a B, but it's entirely down to the cantonal/Federal authorities what they give them, assuming they approve it in the first place. You may well end up with another L which would be valid for a year and indeed could be extended for a second again.

The Foreign Nationals Act specifies:

"Chapter 6: Regulation of the Period of stay
Art. 32 Short stay permit


1 The short stay permit is granted for limited periods of stay of up to one year.
2 It is granted for a specific purpose of stay and may be made subject to additional conditions.
3 It may be extended by up to two years. A change of job is only possible for good cause.
4 The short stay permit may only be granted again after an appropriate interruption of stay in Switzerland."

Whether they would consider a new application under 3 where the new employer has to have a very good reason to be able to hire you I don't know since your permit is going to expire soon anyway.

Also the break rule may be applied. I get the feeling the Swiss may be clamping down on non-EU L permit holders finding another job here without that break more than they used to.

And no, do not resign your current job until there's confirmation that a new permit has been granted. Otherwise you will end up with no current job, may not be granted the permit and will have to leave the country.
Ok so its clear that new employer can apply any permit for me and finally authorities decide whether to give B or again L or not to give anything. So it may fall in to any of these results
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That's it. Basically, new employer applies and then you both just wait.
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That's it. Basically, new employer applies and then you both just wait.
Excellent so, if some one need to do change his job then it's suggested that he needs to do it as early as possible than waiting for 1 plus year and later applying.
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Excellent so, if some one need to do change his job then it's suggested that he needs to do it as early as possible than waiting for 1 plus year and later applying.
Not really. If you do that soon after receiving your permit the authorities may get suspicious and the change to another employer may not be granted.
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Not really. If you do that soon after receiving your permit the authorities may get suspicious and the change to another employer may not be granted.
Really good suggestion and its make sense, so then best way would be if some one really wants the continue in swiss then once he gets his second year L permit, he can then start for trying for new company and if the new company agrees to file work permit then should be good to go and again off course final decision is left to authorities. But might be this should be ideal and decent way.
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Re: L to B permit conversion specific case

Hello everyone, thank you so much for your answers. My situation is comparable but with a couple of small differences. I work at a start up in Zurich. I'm a 3rd country national approaching the end of my 2nd L Permit. We have currently applied for a new permit (with the same employer).

1. Do I understand correctly that I would not be eligible to receive another l-permit at this point ie. b-permit or nothing?
2. Would the cooling off period still apply for me since I would essentially just be continuing my current job?
3. Are there other reasons to believe that the application may be rejected (assuming all the administrative requirements are in order)?

Thank you once again in advance and I really appreciate the spirit of the forum and all your responses. Cheers
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