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Publishing a job ads in Switzerland and EU

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I am kindly asking that in which websites, a job advertisement should be published for Switzerland and EU.

You know that one of the work permit conditions for non-EU is that the company must prove that no suitable candidate has been found.

So there is already an ads in the company's website. Is it enough or also an ads must be published in such websites jobs.ch, indeed jobs etc...

And secondly, which website is for EU members?

And thirdly, how long the ads must stay in those job looking websites?

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Re: Publishing a job ads in Switzerland and EU

I would say yes on other websites like jobs.ch, indeed.ch, etc.

And for Europe you need to put it on this:

https://ec.europa.eu/eures/public/homepage

This gives you more info:

"Priority
(Art. 21 AuG)

Third state nationals may only be admitted if a person can not be recruited from the labour market of Switzerland or another EU/EFTA member state. Swiss citizens, foreign nationals with a longterm residence permit or a residence permit allowing employment, as well as all citizens from those countries with which Switzerland has concluded the Free Movement of Persons Agreement (at present, the EU and EFTA states) are given priority. Employers must prove that they have not been able to recruit a suitable employee from this priority category, despite intensive efforts.

Vacant positions must be registered with the Regional Employment Offices (RAV) together with a request to register the vacancy in the European Employment System (EURES = the European Union’s Employment Services cooperation network). Once a potential employee has been put in contact with the employer and subsequently turned down, the employers generally receive a questionnaire in which they can state the reasons the potential employee was not hired.

Moreover, the employer must explain to the authorities why the search for a suitable candidate by means of the recruitment channels used in the specific industry, such as specialist journals, employment agencies, online job listings or corporate websites, etc., was not successful. Suitable proof includes job advertisements in newspapers, written confirmation from employment agencies, or other kinds of documentation. Often it is helpful for authorities if the employer submits a brief overview of all candidates with a short explanation of which qualifications for a particular job were lacking. In special cases, the authorities can request an employer to intensify his recruitment efforts."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html
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Re: Publishing a job ads in Switzerland and EU

Thank your for your reply. Its really helpful but I have one more question.

in the text that you quoted: "if a person can not be recruited from the labour market of Switzerland"

I had my master degree in switzerland and I think that I can access the labor. So the company will publish the ad in labor website (i think RAV) and I will apply the job via the labor website or not?

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Re: Publishing a job ads in Switzerland and EU

That would only apply if you graduated within the last 6 months. The position must also be of particular scientific or economic importance to Switzerland.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...abgaenger.html
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Re: Publishing a job ads in Switzerland and EU

I am confused now..

which B permit should I consider according to this https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...et-points.html


B PERMITS

B PERMIT (Ausländerausweis)
LONG-TERM WORK PERMIT. SUBJECT TO QUOTA (Aufenthaltbewilligung mit Erwerbstätigkeit)

Economic interests
Employee qualifications
Priority for Swiss and European Union workers
Compliance with local employment conditions
Availability of quota
Renewable until granting of settlement C permit after 10 years (USA + Canada 5 years)

B PERMIT
ANNUAL SHORT-TERM WORK PERMIT. SUBJECT TO QUOTA (Kurzaufenthaltbewilligung)

Important projects
Career plan
International joint programmes
Sportspersons
Up to 3 years,even a maximum of 6 years in certain cases

RESIDENTS' B PERMIT (Aufenthaltbewilligung im Rahmen des Familiennachzugs)
LONG-TERM RESIDENCE PERMIT. NOT SUBJECT TO QUOTA

Permit delivered for family dependents.
Does not include work permission - this must be applied for separately (no quotas; indigenous priority does not apply anymore since 1.1.08)
Renewable
Possibility of conversion into C Permit



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The company does not need to publish a job ad for me? Because for L permit, they did not and I got my permit. So for B is needed? or it is better to do?

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Re: Publishing a job ads in Switzerland and EU

You don't consider anything. The employer applies for the change from L to B and the Swiss authorities decide a) whether to grant it and b) what type of B you get according to the employment contract being offered.
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Re: Publishing a job ads in Switzerland and EU

You've opened so many threads on this very subject, it would appear all questions have been answered at least once?

I thought at some point you said you now had a permit? Or how has the situation now changed since the last time you opened a thread?
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You don't consider anything. The employer applies for the change from L to B and the Swiss authorities decide a) whether to grant it and b) what type of B you get according to the employment contract being offered.
I mean, the company does not publish an ad. Is it not needed to publish a job ads? Because I already hired? They will just apply regular as I understand from what you wrote
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You've opened so many threads on this very subject, it would appear all questions have been answered at least once?

I thought at some point you said you now had a permit? Or how has the situation now changed since the last time you opened a thread?
Can I not ask my question here? Is there any problem or what?

When I learn something new and these things creates new questions on me and I am looking for it..

Well I saw a topic that I gave link above. I saw there are several B types and I do not know which is my type and maybe the company needs to publish a job ad. I've never experienced L to B and the company also does not know detail about it. So then its my concern to find out the information and may lead the HR. Its not your concern whether I got a permit or not.

I do not want to be rude but your message such an unuseful empty message..

For your question: I was thinking that there is no need a job ad in those websites because for L, never they did. But after I saw the another thread and maybe for B, a job ad publishing is required for B permit and I've asked for that. Is it a crime ?
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I mean, the company does not publish an ad. Is it not needed to publish a job ads? Because I already hired? They will just apply regular as I understand from what you wrote
No a B permit application is a bit different, they do need to show they still haven't found anyone else who could do the job.

Anyway, if your company wants to know how to go about things they should talk to the relevant employment and migration offices. It's not your job to find these things out, it's theirs.
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No a B permit application is a bit different, they do need to show they still haven't found anyone else who could do the job.
Same for L with some exceptions though (internships to an extent, right after graduation from Swiss uni). So if it was a regular, "non-preferential" application and didn't look for anyone else last time, they essentially just got lucky.

unbalanced, why don't you say what the exact situation is. Any generic question will lead to generic answers and, ignoring that they've all been asked before, they are also not really for you to figure out. If someone listed a bunch of jobs where an ad has to be published, what does that help you? It's probably the standard ones, jobs.ch, monster.ch, linkedin.com as well these days, possible a bunch of industry-specific ones if that makes sense for the particular job in question. There is no official list nor will there ever be one.

As has also been explained before: the only options are B or L, but you don't get to choose the permit, you're not even involved in the process at all, it is your employer and your employer alone who has to figure this out and the rest is up to the authorities. We've also previously covered that unless you graduated a less than 6 months ago, your degree from a Swiss uni is no longer relevant to the permit application process per se and you will not get preferential treatment and facilitated access to the labor market.
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Re: Publishing a job ads in Switzerland and EU

thank you for all answers. I'll talk to HR and let see.
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