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Becoming Stateless to acquire Swiss residency permit ?

Forget about it I can't do it since if you denafuralize on purpose it doesn't count


Let's say I renounce my citizenship from a non EU country.

Can I then apply for a swiss residency permit ?

I know this is a weird question and I don't intend on doing it but this questiin has crossed my mind since my country isn't the best and if ever anything happens I would like to have back up.
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Re: Becoming Stateless to acquire Swiss residency permit ?

First check if your country does allow to renounce nationality without accepting another one.

And then start from here: https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a31
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Let's say I renounce my citizenship from a non EU country.

Can I then apply for a swiss residency permit ?

I know this is a weird question and I don't intend on doing it but this questiin has crossed my mind since my country isn't the best and if ever anything happens I would like to have back up.
Just to clarify; you are in Switzerland now, right? Your location says Baar.

What's your residency status now? Presumably you've got some kind of permit to be here?

Or do you mean would you get Swiss citizenship, if you ditched your current citizenship?
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Re: Becoming Stateless to acquire Swiss residency permit ?

UN convetions says that no one should be stateless. In this respect national nationality laws normally have provisions that you cannot renounce in case you would become stateless.
http://www.unhcr.org/un-conventions-...elessness.html

Statelessness in itself is no reason to be granted a residency permit. You may get a permit F or even S.
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Just to clarify; you are in Switzerland now, right? Your location says Baar.

What's your residency status now? Presumably you've got some kind of permit to be here?

Or do you mean would you get Swiss citizenship, if you ditched your current citizenship?
Exactly, i’m on an L. I will renew it in a week, which made me think...
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UN convetions says that no one should be stateless. In this respect national nationality laws normally have provisions that you cannot renounce in case you would become stateless.
http://www.unhcr.org/un-conventions-...elessness.html
There are countries that allow to resign without accepting a new one and thus for people to become stateless. America for example does allow for such. (commonly used trick to get away from the IRS)
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There are countries that allow to resign without accepting a new one and thus for people to become stateless. America for example does allow for such. (commonly used trick to get away from the IRS)
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Old 06.06.2018, 15:11
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Forget about it I can't do it since if you denafuralize on purpose it doesn't count


Let's say I renounce my citizenship from a non EU country.

Can I then apply for a swiss residency permit ?

I know this is a weird question and I don't intend on doing it but this questiin has crossed my mind since my country isn't the best and if ever anything happens I would like to have back up.
This is not back up. IF the Swiss grant a permit (no guarantee, they could just send you back to your home country regardless) I seriously doubt you'd ever be allowed to work here so would end up living hand to mouth.

If you want true back up, work hard to get a C permit in a few years' time, learn a Swiss language, and apply for Swiss citizenship. Because that's the only back up that means anything as far as the Swiss are concerned.
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Old 06.06.2018, 19:53
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Let's say I renounce my citizenship from a non EU country.
You can't make yourself stateless. You need documents issued by the UN if you are stateless and they will not issue them in a case like this.
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Old 06.06.2018, 20:00
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You can't make yourself stateless. You need documents issued by the UN if you are stateless and they will not issue them in a case like this.
Not sure if it still happens, but we had issues where people would "lose" their passports after landing (not in Switzerland). They would wait a few hours making it hard to identify what flight they landed on, and would them claim that they were stateless, and had no "home" country.

Always seemed to prove to be a serious challenge with identifying who they were, where they came from, and where to repatriate them to.

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Old 06.06.2018, 20:14
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You can't make yourself stateless. You need documents issued by the UN if you are stateless and they will not issue them in a case like this.
Sorry, but that's nonsense. Any American national living abroad who doesn't have another citizenship can go to a US embassy/consulate and renounce said citizenship. No papers are needed from the UN to do so. What may be needed should they want to travel to another country later is some documentation from the UN to be able to do so. Being stateless makes life in general very difficult, even the simplest things these days require proof of nationality.
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Forget about it I can't do it since if you denafuralize on purpose it doesn't count


Let's say I renounce my citizenship from a non EU country.

Can I then apply for a swiss residency permit ?

I know this is a weird question and I don't intend on doing it but this questiin has crossed my mind since my country isn't the best and if ever anything happens I would like to have back up.
if you do it, then do it on a Thursday and report out on EF the day after.
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You can't make yourself stateless. You need documents issued by the UN if you are stateless and they will not issue them in a case like this.
Not true.

But there are two different kind of stateless people (for when it concerns Switzerland) Those who already live here and become stateless, if they get recognition of being stateless the Canton they live in will provide them with residence papers since Switzerland signed a treaty that nobody should be stateless, these people can continue to work and live here as they did before.

The rest of the stateless people (or those of whom it cannot be confirmed) will be seen and treated equally to refugees.
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This is not back up. IF the Swiss grant a permit (no guarantee, they could just send you back to your home country regardless) I seriously doubt you'd ever be allowed to work here so would end up living hand to mouth.

If you want true back up, work hard to get a C permit in a few years' time, learn a Swiss language, and apply for Swiss citizenship. Because that's the only back up that means anything as far as the Swiss are concerned.
If he resigned nationality they cannot send him back since there is nowhere to send him to.

What with the info we have cannot be foreseen is if he gets to live in freedom and will get resident papers, or will be going in the same program as refugees with all the downsides for him.

This is nothing new and is happening for years, meaning there should also be lawyers here who can help him further if he is serious and give him a prediction of his chances.
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Old 06.06.2018, 21:39
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Exactly, i’m on an L. I will renew it in a week, which made me think...
Yes, thinking is obviously troubling you. I should avoid it...
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If he resigned nationality they cannot send him back since there is nowhere to send him to.

What with the info we have cannot be foreseen is if he gets to live in freedom and will get resident papers, or will be going in the same program as refugees with all the downsides for him.

This is nothing new and is happening for years, meaning there should also be lawyers here who can help him further if he is serious and give him a prediction of his chances.
Wouldn't count on that - example:

"The United States, which is not a signatory to the 1954 Convention on the Status of Stateless Persons or the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness, is one of a small number of countries that allow their citizens to renounce their citizenship even if they do not hold any other. The Foreign Affairs Manual instructs State Department employees to make it clear to Americans who will become stateless after renunciation that they may face extreme difficulties (including deportation back to the United States) following their renunciation, but to afford such persons their right to give up citizenship."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statel...#United_States
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Wouldn't count on that - example:

"The United States, which is not a signatory to the 1954 Convention on the Status of Stateless Persons or the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness, is one of a small number of countries that allow their citizens to renounce their citizenship even if they do not hold any other. The Foreign Affairs Manual instructs State Department employees to make it clear to Americans who will become stateless after renunciation that they may face extreme difficulties (including deportation back to the United States) following their renunciation, but to afford such persons their right to give up citizenship."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statel...#United_States
OP is not from the US, so we do not even know if his country would even want him back after he resigned them (if he even has that possibility)
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Old 06.06.2018, 23:25
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Re: Becoming Stateless to acquire Swiss residency permit ?

If a UK citizen were to marry a UK citizen, with neither becoming Swiss, their children would be British by descent, and therefore entitled to a British passport.

If such a child, assuming they didn't go through the process of being Swiss, married someone who was also British by descent (and hadn't become Swiis), their child would not be British. They would also not be Swiss. They would be stateless.

At that point it would be up to the British Home Office and the Swiss Government to come up with a solution. Both countries allow for the bestowal of citizenship in such a case.
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Can't see that he's said where he's from actually, only specifies he's non-EU. Anyway I was just using that as an example that deportation back to your former home country can be possible. It's not a given that it won't.
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At that point it would be up to the British Home Office and the Swiss Government to come up with a solution. Both countries allow for the bestowal of citizenship in such a case.
A stateless child (can also happen to children of American parents, or parents who's nationality is governed by jus soli only, or when mothers citizenship is transferred at the paternal side and fathers citizenship by the maternal side only) can acquire Swiss citizenship after five years of stay. It is a facilitated naturalization and any kind of stay is o.k. as long as it a legal stay. It does not have to be born here.
Art. 23 Citicenship Act. https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a23
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