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Converting UK NICS contributions into the Swiss AHV Social Security System

Dear Forum,

I hope someone out there can help me with this.

I have lived and worked in Switzerland for over 4 years and hold a B Permit. While I paid into the local Swiss tax system (PAYE), due to the fact I was on a secondment from my UK based employer ensured I continued to pay into my UK National Insurance contributions and not into the Swiss social security (AHV) . When my secondment came to an end I chose to remain in Switzerland rather than return to the UK. My question to the forum is , am I able to transfer my NICS contributions from the UK into the Swiss social security system ( AHV ) so I can claim Unemployment support under the Swiss System ?

Thank you in advance for any advice / guidance as I'm going round in circles with the local BECO and RAV office as they don't seem to grasp my situation.

(My wife is also a British National on a B permit and has been working as a local hire for the past 14 months.. )
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Re: Converting UK NICS contributions into the Swiss AHV Social Security System

I'm no expert .. but I've read english forum..
Your contributions in the UK count toward the RAV here.. You can claim from RAV if you have enough time working in another EU country and / or Switzerland?

Or your question is not because you want to claim RAV .. Just because you want to transfer benefits.. In which case I have no clue.
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Re: Converting UK NICS contributions into the Swiss AHV Social Security System

Something doesn’t sound right here...

On what basis did you get a B-Permit? My understanding is that you must have a contract with a legal Swiss entity one way or another! Any Swiss employer / company offering you such a contract must comply with the social securities contribution rules. That means they have to pay AHV, BVG, BUVG, UVG, ALV* and the respective Tax at source since you are on a B permit.

What does your pay statement “Lohnaussweiss” show?

You can’t pick and choose where to pay the social contributions and the other insurances. It’s compulsory! You can additionally pay voluntary 2nd class NIC in the UK but that’s just in the case you want to get a full UK pension as well as what you are entitled to here in Switzerland when you reach retirenement age.

Further, as far as I know and I could be wrong here, paying NIC in the UK doesn’t entitle you to the RAV, the entitlements for that are very clear and I can dig the details for you if you want.

* ALV: Arbeitslosenversicherungen (Loss of employment insurance) is what entitles you to the RAV.
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Converting UK NICS contributions into the Swiss AHV Social Security System

Thank you John and 'LD' for the input.

For more clarity I was seconded to a newly formed Swiss Business entity set up by my parent company (you are correct LD) and they apparently agreed with the Bern Canton for secondees to continue paying NIC for the 5 year term of their secondments. ( assuming they would want to return)

LD - in regards whether paying NIC entitles you to RAV , this is a key point, which I have heard so many different views on. I read on the AHV website that other EU countries & EFTA member states's social security contributions will be considered... also there are bilateral agreements in place to allow flexibility between UK and Switzerland again this is vague... I have applied to the Beco and provided all the required documentation and been very clear on my NIC / AHV situation and I feel they will turn down my application as my situation is complex ....even so I don't want to give up ... I have seen the criteria for what is required to be eligible for RAV and I tick all the boxes bar the 12 month min AHV contributions ... but I have been paying considerable NIC contributions during the past 4 years so when I see statements like 'other EU countries social security contributions will be considered' if anyone can elaborate on this point linked to my situation will be much appreciated. If I am completely wrong and I am mislead in regards the above etc, again please I am open to feedback .

Hopefully I'll find a suitable job ( Global Procurement professional specializing in IT) and all this will be irrelevant .. but don't get me started on finding a job in Switzerland, so far it's proving very frustrating .. sure I'm not the first person on this forum to say this
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Re: Converting UK NICS contributions into the Swiss AHV Social Security System

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I have seen the criteria for what is required to be eligible for RAV and I tick all the boxes bar the 12 month min AHV contributions ...
You are not helping yourself here by referring to the wrong contributions. As I previously said the correct insurance contribution is ALV and not AHV. Both are social insurance deductions.

I quote from the Zug RAV regarding entitlement to RAV:

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Contribution period:

The period during which you are working and paying unemployment insurance contributions.

To be entitled to unemployment benefit, you must essentially have paid unemployment insurance contributions as an employee for at least 12 months within the 2 years prior to your registration. As an employee, these contributions would have been deducted from your salary automatically.

Under certain circumstances, you may also be entitled without the contribution period requirement being fulfilled. Ask your unemployment pay office (ALK).
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