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Applying for the C permit in advance. Recommendation letter

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Non-EU living in Switzerland since 2013.
I have all the requirements to apply for the C permit.
I am worried I have a speed ticket. Do you think it might affect their decision ?
I was told recommendation letters signed by Swiss where they write good things about you can help obtain a positive answer.
Question is what type of things should be written in this letter? How long three have known you for and how you are responsible and follow all the rules etc?
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Old 07.11.2018, 18:37
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Re: Applying for the C permit in advance. Recommendation letter

No, a speeding ticket (provided it's not a flagrant violation) doesn't matter. But if you provide all the necessary paperwork you don't need a letter. I didn't have any and I got my C permit without a hiccup.
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I am worried I have a speed ticket. Do you think it might affect their decision ?
Do you mean a simple one according the price list which can be paid anonymously within 30 days: https://www.ch.ch/en/driving-over-speed-limit/

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One with court fee, high penalties and separate warning or even ban from the driving license authority? Marked with Summons in the above link and vividly discussed in this jolly thread here: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

The first is, Anonym. Nobody knows who actually did it. The later one can be a problem specially if you were cited according Art. 90 Abs 2 SVG as that one will be listed on your criminal record extract if it happened in the past two years!!
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Do you mean a simple one according the price list which can be paid anonymously within 30 days: https://www.ch.ch/en/driving-over-speed-limit/

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One with court fee, high penalties and separate warning or even ban from the driving license authority? Marked with Summons in the above link and vividly discussed in this jolly thread here: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

The first is, Anonym. Nobody knows who actually did it. The later one can be a problem specially if you were cited according Art. 90 Abs 2 SVG as that one will be listed on your criminal record extract if it happened in the past two years!!
I don’t know ! It was around 300 chf! I payed it and threw the paper away! Now I am nervously waiting for my criminal record inquiry results that they will send from Bern 😓

My drivers license was not affected, I mean at least nobody asked for it..

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No, a speeding ticket (provided it's not a flagrant violation) doesn't matter. But if you provide all the necessary paperwork you don't need a letter. I didn't have any and I got my C permit without a hiccup.
I really hope it will also be my case! Crossing fingers!

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Re: Applying for the C permit in advance. Recommendation letter

300 francs sounds like a the most expensive but still "regular" ticket (exceeding the maximum speed inside a village between km/h and 15 km/h is Fr. 250., around the same as exceeding it between 16km/h and 20km/h outside a village, or between 21km/h and 25km/h on the highway). In other words, the last "allowable" violation before getting a summons. I would NOT worry about it.

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Old 08.11.2018, 18:26
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Re: Applying for the C permit in advance. Recommendation letter

I am confused by this post. Specifically, why are you "applying" for a C permit? Normally, you would have received a one year B permit, a two year B permit, another 2 year B permit and then, in the mail, you would have received the renewal for the next B permit.


If you look at the bottom of this third renewal, there would have been a space where you should have checked that you would like a C permit. There is nothing on this form that requires letters of recommendation. There is most definitely a requirement to attach your language certificate.


Did you do any of this? Where are you in this process?
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Old 08.11.2018, 18:38
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Re: Applying for the C permit in advance. Recommendation letter

For non EU nationals the B permit must be renewed every year, which is a bit of a hassle and it has a fee. You can either wait 10 years and have it transformed into a C automatically, or you can ask for an early conversion of your permit if you fulfil certain criteria (mostly related to integration into the society). It's more convenient than the yearly renewal, and gives you the right to vote on your commune elections in certain cantons.
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For non EU nationals the B permit must be renewed every year, which is a bit of a hassle and it has a fee. You can either wait 10 years and have it transformed into a C automatically, or you can ask for an early conversion of your permit if you fulfil certain criteria (mostly related to integration into the society). It's more convenient than the yearly renewal, and gives you the right to vote on your commune elections in certain cantons.
Uh, no. That is absolutely not true. For the OP, don't listen to this and I ask my question again. What is your permit history?


Caleb, you need to know what you are talking about before you spout things as fact. Many, many non-EU folks on here with only a five-year wait for a C.
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Re: Applying for the C permit in advance. Recommendation letter

Under VINTA you can apply for an accelerated C Permit for Non-EU but is completely discretionary and depends on the Canton.
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Uh, no. That is absolutely not true. For the OP, don't listen to this and I ask my question again. What is your permit history?


Caleb, you need to know what you are talking about before you spout things as fact. Many, many non-EU folks on here with only a five-year wait for a C.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, as I went through it myself. The OP said "I have all the requirements to apply for the C permit.", which means that she qualifies for a VINTA application. It's optional, which means she can choose to stay on a short-term renewal of her B permit, or ask for the early-application for the C permit before the 10 years mandated by most (if not all) cantons.

Source: Staatssekretariat für Migration

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12. Ich habe eine Aufenthaltsbewilligung und möchte vorzeitig eine Niederlassungsbewilligung (C-Bewilligung) beantragen. Welche Kriterien zum Grad der Integration muss ich erfüllen?
Bei erfolgreicher Integration kann die Niederlassungsbewilligung (C-Bewilligung) nach fünfjährigem Aufenthalt mit Aufenthaltsbewilligung erteilt werden.
Art. 34 Niederlassungsbewilligung

Im Falle einer vorzeitigen Erteilung der Niederlassungsbewilligung nach Artikel 62 Verordnung über Zulassung, Aufenthalt und Erwerbstätigkeit (VZAE) wird ein Sprachzertifikat (mindestens ein A2-Niveau des gemeinsamen Europäischen Sprach-Referenzrahmens GER) verlangt. Alle Kriterien in diesem Zusammenhang finden Sie in folgendem Dokument:
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Under VINTA you can apply for an accelerated C Permit for Non-EU but is completely discretionary and depends on the Canton.


It's not exactly just a question of EU/Non-EU; whether one is a citizen of a country that has a reciprocal agreement with Switzerland will determine whether one has an entitlement, a slightly easier path, or goes through the full VINTA process.

https://ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherheit...lligung_IW.pdf

See page 12, points 8.1 and 8.2.

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It's not exactly just a question of EU/Non-EU; whether one is a citizen of a country that has a reciprocal agreement with Switzerland will determine whether one has an entitlement, a slightly easier path, or goes through the full VINTA process.

https://ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherheit...lligung_IW.pdf

See page 12, points 8.1 and 8.2.
Yes, melloncollie, you are 100% correct. But it doesn't contradict what I said: The OP said she fulfils all the requirements to apply for a C permit (and she has lived here since 2013, which is 5 years ago). She's from Argentina (same as me), so I'm pretty familiar with her situation. What I said about why she would have to "apply" for the C is totally correct. Sorry if I came across a bit defensive, but TheSpouse accused me of spouting things as fact.
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Sorry, Caleb - I was actually being pedantic wrt Logo's post. We are on the same wavelength. Added in the quote now.

(I blame my sloppy posting on the hyped-up tasmanian devil currently springing onto my lap. )
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Re: Applying for the C permit in advance. Recommendation letter

Hi OP,

I am also non EU and obtained my C permit last year after 5 years in Switzerland. (L+L+B+B+B)

A letter of recommendation is not required but I have heard "it can help". (fellow non EU colleagues who have the C recommended I do this) C permit after 5 years is not something guaranteed, and it is still up to the official's discretion and having a letter from a Swiss national helps to show you are integrated with the society here.
My friend's husband is Swiss, and we are all very close so he wrote a letter for me. In the letter he stated how we know each other (his wife is my colleague turned bestie), how well I am integrated into the Swiss lifestyle, my German capabilities, responsible citizen etc. He signed it off with his Swiss ID number and address.

So - no, a recommendation letter is not a requirement, but if definitely does not hurt to have one, so if you have a close Swiss friend who'd do this for you, why not? Good luck, I hope you get your C permit soon (and I wouldn't worry about the speeding ticket)
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Re: Applying for the C permit in advance. Recommendation letter

Dear all ,
Thanks a lot for your answers. I took some time to get back to you since I was super busy at work. I am changing jobs and they want to squeeze out as much as they can before I leave. By the way, I had to attach my current work contract, my resignation letter and my new contract, I hope again it is not a problem for the Migration Office that I am in the middle of changing jobs.

I want to thank you since I did read the answers on time and decided to ask for a couple of recommendation letters to show more evidence of integration, additional to demonstrating membership to a couple of Vereins.

I investigated and I found out that when you apply for the passport you do need to have at least 2 swiss contacts that can give references about you. For the early C permit it is not required, but can help according to some aquaintances that have applied.

We have been living in Switzerland since 2013. My B permit was given as "Family Reunification" since it was my husband who is a specialist and he had a job offer first. While we were waiting for his B permit, I also found a job in Switzerland.

So even if my B permit was given for family reunification reasons, I have always had a job.

So we have had B permit since 2013 and we are non-EU and also no agreements (not from US or Canada), therefore we have to apply under the VinTa law for an anticipated C permit and I do think it is up to the Cantonal Authorities to grant it or deny it. As far as I understand they could even reject and not give specific reasons.

And you were right..of course the speed ticket was not in the criminal record or anywhere else.

Now we have submitted all our documentation and we just have to wait for their answer. I have the feeling that it will take like a month.

Thanks a lot for your time!
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Re: Applying for the C permit in advance. Recommendation letter

Note: We needed to renew our B work permit every year. I really hope we can get the C!
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