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Re: Swiss mother: path to my naturalization?

Thank you for the clarification -- I certainly was too quick to jump to conclusions .
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Re: Swiss mother: path to my naturalization?

Hello again knowledgeable Forum Members,

I'm returning to this thread again (after a health episode last year -- since fully recovered), with a couple minor updates and a question.

One is that I did pull a birth certificate "just to have" -- understanding that the fact I was born in Zurich is not as relevant as the fact that my Mother is Swiss by parentage (and remained so, even after returning to the US later that year in 1964 to make her permanent residence). Somewhere in this thread someone mentioned the possible relevance of the "Heimatort" documented on birth certificate, which is (FWIW?) specified as my mother's original commune / village in a Canton that is not Zurich.

Second -- and perhaps this was not made clear to the Consul General -- is that my mother was married to my Father (a U.S. Citizen) at the time of my birth in Zurich. Perhaps that is relevant, maybe not.

The law and / or regulation citations in this thread are much appreciated. But in reality, I feel that I will need to retain the services of a Swiss immigration attorney who can opine on whether there is a clear path to citizenship through simplified naturalization and if so, provide guidance in taking that journey. Can someone make a recommendation or two?

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Re: Swiss mother: path to my naturalization?

Good to hear that you are alive and kicking, and specially keep matters going.

Did understand it correctly, you got a birth certificate from the City of Zurich. Correct? Good if it is, than the "mother never registered me after my birth" has been sorted out and was a luckily a false assumption. Would have been very, very strange if the birth had not been registered with the city.

Now, who is listed as the father on this birth certificate? What nationality is mentioned for the father.

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Regarding "SEM" (what exactly is that, in relation to Swiss Law? Simply administrative regulations?) section 651, on what page is the paragraph you cite displayed? As I could not locate it. Thanks:
SEM == State Secretariat for Migration. The branch of the Federal Department of police and Justice which handles migration (obviously), asylum, and naturalization on federal level, specially facilitated naturalization. https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/ueberuns/sem.html

The SEM publishes a handbook (This here https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/de/home...rgerrecht.html )where the finer details of the naturalization law is explained and how it is or should be handled by the authorities. As you can see it is split in an old an a new version, and into chapters. Section 651 would meant Chapter 6, subsection 651 (of the new version) it coveres certain facilitated naturalization cases. Here the PDF of Chapter 6 https://www.sem.admin.ch/dam/sem/de/...g20-kap6-d.pdf

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I'm somewhat surprised, then, that someone of the stature of Mr. Glauser (Consul General) was not aware of this, if that's the case.
In the end, Mr. Glausser will not decide anything but will only forward your application to the SEM. Simply speaking, for your concerns he is noting more than a low level clerk or a receptionist. Sorry Mr. Glausser . But he should still be aware about Chapter 6, subsection 651 of the SEM Handbook.

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Second -- and perhaps this was not made clear to the Consul General -- is that my mother was married to my Father (a U.S. Citizen) at the time of my birth in Zurich. Perhaps that is relevant, maybe not.
It is relevant. If she was not married you would most likely be Swiss already. You are not Swiss because she was married at time of your birth.

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Somewhere in this thread someone mentioned the possible relevance of the "Heimatort" documented on birth certificate, which is (FWIW?) specified as my mother's original commune / village in a Canton that is not Zurich.
The Heimatort of your mother keeps a registry about all family matters. That it is outside of Zurich or even not in Canton Zurich is no issue at all. Next time you are in Switzerland go and visit the place. Also go and visit your mothers birth place and were she went to school.

If you get naturalized, you will get the same Heimatort as your mother.

Now, as you know the Heimatort of your mother, your mother should order a Familienschein and a Bürgerrechtsnachweis from there. You might try to order a Personenstandsnachweis for yourself.

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The law and / or regulation citations in this thread are much appreciated. But in reality, I feel that I will need to retain the services of a Swiss immigration attorney who can opine on whether there is a clear path to citizenship through simplified naturalization and if so, provide guidance in taking that journey
The process is simple: Gather all the documents. Apply. Wait for the decision by SEM.

Documents to proof eligibility and decent from Swiss mother:
[X] Get Swiss birth certificate
[ ] Get Photocopy of Mother's Swiss passport
[ ] Get Familienschein of Mother from Mothers's Heimatort
[ ] Get Bürgerrechtsnachweis of Mother from Mothers's Heimatort
[ ] Try to get Personenstandsnachweis for yourself from Mothers's Heimatort

Close ties to Switzerland:
[ ] Get language certificate, for example Goethe exam in case of German
[ ] Make a tally of all your trips to Switzerland.
[ ] Make a list of all your contacts in Switzerland.
[ ] Find a person which lives in Switzerland, which can attest your good character, and testify about your visits in Switzerland.
[ ] Learn the basics about Switzerland and prepare for the interview.

For the last part see:
https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/portal/...gespraech.html
and
https://bzlt.ch/storage/images/Infor...ergerung_1.pdf

You might send me per private message the name of the Heimatort, and I will look up where you can order the mentioned documents.
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Re: Swiss mother: path to my naturalization?

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Good to hear that you are alive and kicking, and specially keep matters going.
Same here, thanks!


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Did understand it correctly, you got a birth certificate from the City of Zurich. Correct?
Yes, that is correct ("Stadt Zurich, Bevolkerungsamt") By the way, the birth certificate is entitled "Extract from record of birth (ICCS)".

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Now, who is listed as the father on this birth certificate? What nationality is mentioned for the father.
The husband of my mother is listed on the Birth Certificate as the father. Curiously, the birth certificate does not list his nationality (the box is blank), though it does indicate that his "settled place of residence" as a city in the United States (which is correct).

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In the end, Mr. Glausser will not decide anything but will only forward your application to the SEM. Simply speaking, for your concerns he is noting more than a low level clerk or a receptionist.
That is good to know, but considering that he has already opined on my case based on his own law interpretation, won't he not even send me an application at all? I'm a bit reluctant to reach out to him again, as he may believe I'm applying under protest and treat my application differently -- or not even send me an application.

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Now, as you know the Heimatort of your mother, your mother should order a Familienschein and a Bürgerrechtsnachweis from there. You might try to order a Personenstandsnachweis for yourself.
I will send you a private message detailing her Heimatort and ask for advice on ordering this documentation directly.

Thanks for outlining all the documents required, including establishing close ties to Switzerland. I had aspirations to visit again this year, but could not do so for obvious reasons. I have been there twice in the past two years (several times before -- but outside the 6 (5?) year window), so would not be able to complete my third trip until next year (assuming the virus situation abates and the US gets its act together, of course). Not in any rush -- I just want to formalize my heritage in an official way. FWIW, I recently had a biography written of my mom's life in Switzerland during the 1940's and 50's before she emigrated to the US, so you can see that this does mean something to me.

Thanks again,
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Good to hear that you are alive and kicking, and specially keep matters going.

The process is simple: Gather all the documents. Apply. Wait for the decision by SEM.

Documents to proof eligibility and decent from Swiss mother:
[X] Get Swiss birth certificate
[ ] Get Photocopy of Mother's Swiss passport
[ ] Get Familienschein of Mother from Mothers's Heimatort
[ ] Get Bürgerrechtsnachweis of Mother from Mothers's Heimatort
[ ] Try to get Personenstandsnachweis for yourself from Mothers's Heimatort

Close ties to Switzerland:
[ ] Get language certificate, for example Goethe exam in case of German
[ ] Make a tally of all your trips to Switzerland.
[ ] Make a list of all your contacts in Switzerland.
[ ] Find a person which lives in Switzerland, which can attest your good character, and testify about your visits in Switzerland.
[ ] Learn the basics about Switzerland and prepare for the interview.

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Regarding the part of documenting Swiss contacts, out of curiosity how does the SEM engage with those contacts? Can they expect a form, a phone call, or a knock on the door? Thanks in advance.
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