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Living in Zurich with Italy's residence permit

Hi wise people of englishforum!

I am not looking for legal advice but would appreciate help identifying obvious red flags for my situation below.

I am moving to Zurich from US for work purposes (with the same company, work authorization has been obtained etc) in Jan 2019. My brother is a recent graduate from Italy and he's wrapping up his internship there. He has a valid residence permit for Italy until July 2019.

Are there any obvious concerns if my brother were to come live with me for a few months between Jan and July 2019? He would not be working in Switzerland but would just be applying for jobs (globally, not just in Switzerland). I believe he can stay for a max of 3 months.

Both of us are non-EU & non-US citizens.

Not looking to bend any rules or laws, just trying to understand the regulations in a new country before doing something.

Thanks for understanding & Thanks in advance for any insights shared.
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Old 12.12.2018, 21:23
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Re: Living in Zurich with Italy's residence permit

The permit for Italy means nothing in Switzerland. Whether he can stay as a tourist depends on his nationality.
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Re: Living in Zurich with Italy's residence permit

I got a Mexican permit which is valid until July 2019, can i come and live in the United States for a few months ?
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Re: Living in Zurich with Italy's residence permit

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The permit for Italy means nothing in Switzerland. Whether he can stay as a tourist depends on his nationality.
Not quite.
A residence permit for Italy means that one can stay as a tourist in Switzerland, as in any other Schengen state apart from Italy, for a maximum of 90 days in any 180 days, if their nationality doesn't grant them anything better than that.

But they will not be able to register as officially living here and would have to do whatever it's required in Italy to maintain a semblance of residence there (e.g. for Switzerland it means among other things being officially registered at some address, so either owning a home or paying rent, and paying for the obligatory health insurance).

Also, their status in Italy would give them absolutely no advantage in looking for work in Switzerland. The prospective employer would have to prove to the Swiss authorities that there are no suitable candidates with a Swiss passport/work permit or an EU citizenship.
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The permit for Italy means nothing in Switzerland. Whether he can stay as a tourist depends on his nationality.
roegner, we are both Indian citizens. Typically, this means he would need a Schengen visa to stay as a tourist. Given he has a residence permit for a Schengen country - this might suffice as the visa is my assumption.

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Thank you 'Today only' for the post. I appreciate the sarcasm

While a Mexican permit will not allow you to stay in US, a valid US visa does indeed allow you to enter, stay in Mexico for a short period and exit legally (at least with immigration rules as they are now).

As with all things, there are rules and there are exceptions. Just looking to make an informed decision.

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Not quite.
A residence permit for Italy means that one can stay as a tourist in Switzerland, as in any other Schengen state apart from Italy, for a maximum of 90 days in any 180 days, if their nationality doesn't grant them anything better than that.

But they will not be able to register as officially living here and would have to do whatever it's required in Italy to maintain a semblance of residence there (e.g. for Switzerland it means among other things being officially registered at some address, so either owning a home or paying rent, and paying for the obligatory health insurance).

Also, their status in Italy would give them absolutely no advantage in looking for work in Switzerland. The prospective employer would have to prove to the Swiss authorities that there are no suitable candidates with a Swiss passport/work permit or an EU citizenship.
NichtsBesonders - thank you for the detailed response. This was extremely helpful. I did not consider what it would mean for the Italian residence permit to still remain valid. I will try to find out more.

I do understand there is no advantage when applying for Swiss jobs. He's a car designer and he would prefer finding something in Italy if he finds it.

Thank you!

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Re: Living in Zurich with Italy's residence permit

In practical terms, if your brother doesn't get into problems with the police, there will be no problem living in Zürich.
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living in Zurich with Italy's residence permit

Hey there.
Make sure you check with the authorities ahead of making any arrangements.
They are usually quite helpful if you ask for advise and guidance.
Not as understanding if they think you are being cheeky.
this link may help. Note that the privileges are linked to citizenship and not residence permit.
https://www.ch.ch/en/entry-stay-switzerland/
all the best.
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Re: Living in Zurich with Italy's residence permit

Thank you logo123.

Based on this website - a student residence permit from Italy even for 3rd country nationals is considered valid for less than 90 days of stay.

Now I just need to figure out if his student residence permit for Italy continues to stay valid if he is outside Italy for 89 days at a stretch.

Thanks everyone for your inputs!
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Re: Living in Zurich with Italy's residence permit

As long has his Italian permit is valid, he is free to enter Switzerland. In theory there is a 90 day restriction, but in reality there is no passport stamp or control when entering, so there will be nothing to prove that he violates the short stay rule.
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Re: Living in Zurich with Italy's residence permit

If found without a stamp on passport confirming date of entrance in the Schengen area you may be fined or detained. Also note that an Italian residency permit is not a Schengen visa: this may prove as useless in Switzerland as a Swiss residence permit in Italy.
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If found without a stamp on passport confirming date of entrance in the Schengen area you may be fined or detained. Also note that an Italian residency permit is not a Schengen visa: this may prove as useless in Switzerland as a Swiss residence permit in Italy.
Sorry, but this is bollocks. A residency permit from the EU/Switzerland replaces the need for a Schengen visa to visit any of these countries for up to 3 months for tourism purposes.

If the OP's brother wants to come here for up to 3 months to look for work and has residency in Italy, it's perfectly fine. What he mustn't do is deregister from Italy as then he would need a Schengen visa since he would no longer be a resident of Italy.
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If found without a stamp on passport confirming date of entrance in the Schengen area you may be fined or detained. Also note that an Italian residency permit is not a Schengen visa: this may prove as useless in Switzerland as a Swiss residence permit in Italy.
You absolutely have no clue !!!
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If found without a stamp on passport confirming date of entrance in the Schengen area you may be fined or detained.
How does that apply to the OP's questions? The brother is (and will be) in Italy thus has already entered the Schengen area.

OP, despite all that's been said it wouldn't hurt to also ask the Indian embassy in Italy.
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