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Old 10.01.2019, 16:46
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Re: New Swiss law - downgrade in residence permit question

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I wonder how each kanton will test this - I am hoping just with certificates (?)
Or even more simple: if you manage to complete the form and have a quick chat with the person you hand that over to?
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Old 10.01.2019, 17:03
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I wonder how each kanton will test this - I am hoping just with certificates (?)
Have a look at the fide link that AswissintheUS posted, it gives you all the details for each canton.
There are several possibilities- one of the accepted language certificates, obtaining a certificate at a fide recognised centre or getting a certificate from a different centre recognised if my memory serves me correctly.

https://www.fide-info.ch/doc/08_Spra...titutionen.pdf
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Old 10.01.2019, 17:11
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Re: New Swiss law - downgrade in residence permit question

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Or even more simple: if you manage to complete the form and have a quick chat with the person you hand that over to?
The process is usually done via post...at least in Basel. I spoke to no one when I obtained my first C-Permit, just had to fill in some forms. I was wondering if they would have the kind of tests (i.e. home visits etc.) like you do when you apply for citizenship.
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Old 10.01.2019, 17:48
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Re: New Swiss law - downgrade in residence permit question

https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...t-renewal.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...t-holders.html

That said, we renewed ours back in June and didn't need any certificates. Not sure what will happen next time around though.
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Old 10.01.2019, 17:59
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That said, we renewed ours back in June and didn't need any certificates. Not sure what will happen next time around though.
The new regulation is in force since January 1st 2019. Any older experience about renewing permits is of no relevance regarding the new integration criteria.
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Old 10.01.2019, 18:19
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The new regulation is in force since January 1st 2019. Any older experience about renewing permits is of no relevance regarding the new integration criteria.
Yeah, but some cantons seemed to be implementing it a bit earlier than this year.
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Old 10.01.2019, 18:44
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Yeah, but some cantons seemed to be implementing it a bit earlier than this year.
As far as I8217;m aware some cantons had the language requirements for changing from B to C but I don8217;t believe that they had it for renewals of existing C permits.
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Old 10.01.2019, 22:51
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Re: New Swiss law - downgrade in residence permit question

c permits are renewed every 5 years
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Re: New Swiss law - downgrade in residence permit question

I upgraded my permit from B to C (EU) without questions asked.
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Old 11.01.2019, 06:04
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OH needs a course.

He has picked up a good smattering of SG-mixed-with-the-odd-bit-of-HG on the fly, which has stood him in good stead interacting with the butcher, baker, candlestick maker. He can, and does, chat with anybody and everybody as he goes about his non-work life. A misdeclined adjective does not hinder conversation, but won't cut the mustard on the test.

Scheduling a course simply does not work with the demands of his job; OH works round the clock, travels frequently, at short notice. In the beginning he tried to take courses twice, each time work responsibilities meant he had to miss lectures, in the end he was simply flushing money down the drain.

Now is certainly not the time to ease up on the workload, a course would have to wait.

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Worst case we get bounced down to a B, which would hopefully buy us enough time to tie up loose ends here.

As above: que sera, sera.
I understand. I really hope you won't have any problems with renewing your C permits though, and that it will turn out you worried too much.

On the other hand, if in worst case scenario you'll be "downgraded" to "B", it still won't change that much. Not in regards with your plans of returning home anyway. But it won't happen, you'll see.
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Old 11.01.2019, 11:13
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. But it won't happen, you'll see.
Gossip around the village says better than 50/50 chance.

We'll see...
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Old 11.01.2019, 12:25
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Gossip around the village says better than 50/50 chance.

We'll see...
Better than 50/50 which way? Honestly I don't see downgrades happening often. More like the exception rather than the rule. The only time I can see it is if someone is continually on social help, doesn't know the language at all, and is generally a "burden" on the community since social help mostly comes from gemeinde coffers rather than the feds.
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Old 12.01.2019, 01:29
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OH needs a course.

He has picked up a good smattering of SG-mixed-with-the-odd-bit-of-HG on the fly, which has stood him in good stead interacting with the butcher, baker, candlestick maker. He can, and does, chat with anybody and everybody as he goes about his non-work life. A misdeclined adjective does not hinder conversation, but won't cut the mustard on the test.
MC, don't sweat. The certification requirements are A1 written and A2 oral. At that level, the examiners are not concerned about declensions and conjugations. Your husband will just need to show that he can converse at a very basic level (seems to me that he's there already—candlestick-making can get pretty technical!), and the written test can be full of grammaticall errors, yet good enough for a pass. Seriously.

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As above: que sera, sera.
At least you can dazzle 'em with your Spanish to deflect from any deficits in your husband's German.
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Is there a website with an example of the written test?
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Old 12.01.2019, 11:32
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Is there a website with an example of the written test?
The Deutsche Welle website has some tests you can try to find your current level: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/placementDashboard
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Better than 50/50 which way? Honestly I don't see downgrades happening often. More like the exception rather than the rule. The only time I can see it is if someone is continually on social help, doesn't know the language at all, and is generally a "burden" on the community since social help mostly comes from gemeinde coffers rather than the feds.
Agreed. CH is not going to start downgrading all the CEO's, CIO's, managers and 'high earners' etc that have jobs here.
If you're not a net contributor, maybe it will be different.
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Gossip around the village says better than 50/50 chance.

We'll see...
You live in a more ahem...special canton. We could have moved there too but I was always reluctant to do so, and now I feel like I was right. (lol, I'm developing a mild local "nationalism" now). But still, I think 3Wishes is spot on.

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Re: New Swiss law - downgrade in residence permit question

Previously I did see on a lot of places clearly that Dutch, Portuguese, and a bunch of others were excluded from the language requirements, not the information is more diverse, kanton Freiburg still states these exclusions as valid, If your mother language is the same as the language of the kanton than no certificate is needed, others mention nothing at all anymore.

So a question: Are these exclusions still existing or do the Dutch for example now also have to get a certificate? I fail to find the federal rule about this.
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Old 12.01.2019, 14:24
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As far as I know Belgium, Germany, Denmark, France, Liechtenstein, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Austria, Portugal and Spain are still excluded from needing language certificates because these exemptions are due to separate agreements these countries have with Switzerland.
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Gossip around the village says better than 50/50 chance.

We'll see...
Residence permits are a cantonal thing and so whatever gossip there may be in the village should be taken with a grain of salt. It's not unlike Gemeinde/Kreisbüro clerks being clueless about permit questions which happens quite often

Also, the C to B downgrade under the new law is an act of withdrawing the right to settle indefinitely granted with the C permit and legally a completety different thing than withdrawing an L or B permit which give no such right and can just not be extended upon their expiration.
It's a costly legal process (well, for you as well as the canton) and it can be contested all the way to the Federal Court.

So a canton has absolutely no incentive to downgrade the permit of a person who's paying taxes in it and not consuming public welfare funds; it would be shooting itself in the foot financially twice.

Schwyz might be special, but it hopefully isn't backwards enough to actively rid itself of taxpayers.
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