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family reunification (EU) - documentation for dependent parent

Hi,

I'm an EU citizen, not living in CH yet, but in the process of securing a job there. I have a parent who isn't an EU citizen (has PR permit of an EU country though if it matters). Suppose I move for the job and would like the parent to move in with me too. I searched here, on SEM, ch.ch websites and I'm still puzzled by some of the requirements for family reunification for my situation.

The SEM online factsheet [EN/DE] states on pg. 2:
for persons (relatives in the ascending and descending lines, e.g. parents, grandparents, children) who will be receiving support from the EU/EFTA citizen, a certificate issued by the authorities of the country of origin confirming that an EU/EFTA citizen living in Switzerland has agreed to provide support for the person or that the person will live in the same house as the said EU/EFTA citizen.

1. I assume by "country of origin" they mean country of where the parent is coming from (=currently residing) and isn't necessarily the country of their citizenship.

2. Regarding this certificate they ask for - has anybody got such a certificate from their country that the Swiss accepted? If so, what does it look like?
I just can't imagine coming to any bureaucrat roughly asking:
"Please certify in writing that I will support this person abroad when I leave this country to work & pay lower taxes in Switzerland for the duration of my stay there. With a stamp, signature and letterhead. Thanks and regards."
How could some country vouch in writing for what you will/won't do in Switzerland for an undefined time period? There is no way they can monitor/enforce it outside their own border. In theory, I guess this can apply to children (i.e. you're legally obliged to support them) or if you have legal guardianship of your parent (for e.g. health reasons, God forbid). For a regular parent though? I can certify to the Swiss that I will support the parent financially while I'm in CH, that's my responsibility; certify that they won't ask for welfare for example. However, for the state to take on that responsiblity on my behalf? Hypothetically speaking, if I somehow present this certificate and won't support the parent later anyway - will the Swiss send an invoice to my government? I don't understand the logic, maybe I'm missing something.

3. Regarding "or that the person will live in the same house as the said EU/EFTA citizen."
How would officials in the country of origin confirm that the parent will live with me in the same house in Switzerland? Do I bring an officially translated rental agreement from Switzerland (which names both of us in it I guess...) to them? This also sounds strange. Maybe it is a translation error - as in "has lived in the same house" (i.e. before the move to CH)? The German version says
oder dass sie mit dieser bzw. diesem in häuslicher Gemeinschaft leben.
Does the "or" in the sentence truly mean that if you prove this then there is no need for gov't certification that I agree to provide support?
www.ch.ch says a different thing:
Anyone who will be dependent on you must present a letter issued by the authorities of the country of origin confirming that you will pay their living expenses.
so it doesn't look like an "or" if they still insist on this, rather an "and"?

Last question is about proving dependency (if applicable). The SEM FAQ states:
Who may apply for family members to join them and reside in Switzerland?
Parent(s) and grandparent(s), provided that they financially depend on the petitioner (they must prove that they were dependent on the petitioner before entering Switzerland).

4. Do I understand correctly that this is about the reverse case - i.e. the parent is already in CH (somehow) and is asking for his/her child to join them in CH?
If yes, then this is irrelevant to my case.
If not, then this means a parent can join you if and only if they financially depend on you. Fine - how do you prove that, and how long back should the "evidence trail" go?

I apologize for the long first post and if this was discussed elsewhere, I just couldn't find it. I would appreciate any insight from people who are already in CH and especially if you went through the process or have a better idea. To the Ausländer, some of these documents they ask for seem rather strange, if not to say unobtainable.

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Re: family reunification (EU) - documentation for dependent parent

1. Yes.

2. This is something I've never really understood either. Why would any country be issuing some sort of certificate to state that you will provide support? It's weird.

3. Yes, it probably should be "and" rather than "or"

4. No it means that you have to prove you've been providing financial support to your parent. This has been the case for non-EU nationals for some time and now it also applies to EU nationals as well. How far back that has to go you'd have to ask the cantonal migration office wherever you move to.
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...If not, then this means a parent can join you if and only if they financially depend on you. Fine - how do you prove that, and how long back should the "evidence trail" go?
I recall a post before that the person had to prove not only that the parent had been financially dependent for some years, but also that there were no other living relatives "back home" who could care for or support the parent. For example, if your parent is currently living with you and dependent upon you, maybe a statement from the current country that the authorities recognize said parent as your dependent in that country would help.
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I recall a post before that the person had to prove not only that the parent had been financially dependent for some years, but also that there were no other living relatives "back home" who could care for or support the parent.
Yes, that certainly was/is the case for non-EU nationals.
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