Why? You have time enough to prepare yourself before you send in the request? It is not that these requirements change that often.

The social help and Betreibungs thing I could get the same day at townhall (for the first C request). The employer statement I got the next day at work and sent it in that afternoon.

A lot of these items you can now order online, even in that tiny city I live in.

What I couldn't do, even though I speak German to A2 standard was find, book, sit and pass an exam at an approved school in 14 days. All the other things requested could be done in a few hours.

Right, but then it has been a requirement a long time. Just do the test, get the papers again and apply anew for a C.

Guilty as charged. I didn't know, nor did I specifically want a C permit. I rather like having my taxes deducted at source, filling a tax return at the end of the year and 2 years later getting a stack of cash back with interest. It was the local town hall that requested a C on my behalf.

You can do that with a C, pay monthly

I love my town :-) Applied for the permit on May 21, it would take 2-3 weeks. May 28: letter, can you please pick up the permit?


Nice service

Those of you who have recently renewed C permits: Did you have to re-do fingerprints?

(Can't find any info here or on the SZ site; apologies if this has been mentioned before...)

From a non-EU perspective, the bio-metrics are required every 5 years. As this 5 year coincides with C permits validity/renewal , I guess it would be done for every renewal, but again speaking only from Non-EU side

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...erausweis.html

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A symbol on the upper left-hand side of the front of the card indicates that the residence permit contains an embedded microchip with biometric data: two digital fingerprints and a facial image. The data are stored for five years and may only be used for the purpose of issuing a new biometric residence permit without the need for additional data processing.

Oh dear...

I have two fingertips splinted at the moment. I'd best get chatting with the Migrationsamt to see if there is any leeway on timing to take new fingerprints.


Thanks for the heads-up.

They have only ever taken "Index Fingers" prints for me. So not sure if you are lucky

Hi all

Does anyone know how unemployment is treated under the new rules?

I need to renew my C permit around mid next year, and probably Im going to be made redundant around the same time

Im a non-eu with good german skills

Normally renewal is just a piece of paper, nothing required so you should be ok. Only long social help would impact a renewal (and some other stuff) but not being unemployed

In general permit C is for indefinite duration. The renewal process is only that you get a new physical permit with a new expiration date.

As long as you are not long term dependent on social aid there wont be any issues. Unemployment benefit, old age and survivor pension (AHV/OASI), and disability pension (IV) are not considered as social help. Contrary, it is regarded the same as active employment.

Next to long term dependency on social aid a downgrade to permit B is also possible in case of criminal behavior, disregard of the constitution, total lack of integration, and major unpaid debt (Betreibung/poursuits >CHF 80k ).
https://ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherheit...stufung+IW.pdf

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So if they do not check language, the law applies only to new arrivals or eventually it would apply to everyone?

Going for my permit C renewal in a couple of weeks in Geneva...

New arrivals and people moving from B to C.

Thanks all!

However, if you can be downgraded to B for not being integrated, this means that theres more to this than updating photos/fingerprints

Is contribution to the financial life of the town part of it?

I cant seem to find any website that addresses this question

You need to re-read the post from aSwissintheUS , below bit and the link

https://www.englishforum.ch/3119016-post33.html

As long as you are not long term dependent on social aid there wont be any issues. Unemployment benefit, old age and survivor pension (AHV/OASI), and disability pension (IV) are not considered as social help. Contrary, it is regarded the same as active employment.

There is not more to it. As long as you do not raise any red flags (unless they also have a white cross on it , just be careful do not go full Danish) no one will have a closer look.

From the already linked document https://ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherheit...stufung+IW.pdf :
Integration is the sum of language skill, respecting the constitution, no criminal behavior, respecting the authorities and public order, no public recorded debts, participation in the economic life (which simply means no long term dependency on social aid) or acquiring education. (Note the explicit lack of the Oxford comma).

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Integration also means knowing your neighbours, the local shop owners, your Syndic and municipals. Participating in local events and, if you can, voting. Joining local clubs and groups.

It is likely easier in rural areas than the cities, but you need to be seen as part of the community.

The above applies for naturalization (Art. 11 lit b. Swiss Citizenship Act and Art. 2 of the accompanying ordinance) but not for permit C (Art. 58a Foreign Nationals and Integration Act). Please do not muddle things and keep separate laws and topics separate.

Also the thing mentioned above is is not a criteria for integration but part of "to be familiar with the Swiss way of life."