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Help in preparation of the marriage

Hello guys, I need a help
I'm Egyptian and my girlfriend is Swiss, we planned to get married in Switzerland and she went to the civil office in Argau to ask them about how can we get married in Switzerland, they told her it's easy and gave her 2 forms to fill them
1 - Familiennachzug, Nachzug von eingetragenen Partnerinnen/Partnern, Vorbereitung der Hei-
rat, Vorverfahren für die eingetragene Partnerschaft Formular B1730
2 - Unterhaltsgarantie (gilt nicht für Besuchervisa) Formular N18240
And they told her that she has to contact the Switzerland embassy in Egypt to tell them and to create an appointment for me with them to give them the papers which they need in the first step " the preparatory procedure for marriage"
I went there in last may and gave them all papers which they asked and it was translated in an official swiss language. I paid the fees which they asked 367 CHF because I wanted to fill 2 applications, visa D application and preparation of the marriage application. And I filled everything.
After one month an office in Muri sent a letter my girlfriend, asked her to come because they received my papers from the embassy in Egypt and wanted her to do the application "preparation of marriage" and she had to call them, she called them and they said those 2 forms which she got in the beginning must have a signature from her local community office.
She went to the local community office with those filled forms but unfortunately the lady told her that she can't give her the signature and when my girlfriend asked why they told her you can't get married before 20 years old and my girlfriend is on her way to 19 and one other thing you have to finish Ausbildung first.
When you reach 20 and finish Ausbildung come we'll give you the signatures.
We shocked and wondered how come evnn my girlfriend has the right to get married if she's 18 by Swiss law.
Now what could we do, we're in bad mood since yesterday because of that. Please please guys if anyone knows what can we do, kindly let me know.
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Hello guys, I need a help
I'm Egyptian and my girlfriend is Swiss, we planned to get married in Switzerland and she went to the civil office in Argau to ask them about how can we get married in Switzerland, they told her it's easy and gave her 2 forms to fill them
1 - Familiennachzug, Nachzug von eingetragenen Partnerinnen/Partnern, Vorbereitung der Hei-
rat, Vorverfahren für die eingetragene Partnerschaft Formular B1730
2 - Unterhaltsgarantie (gilt nicht für Besuchervisa) Formular N18240
And they told her that she has to contact the Switzerland embassy in Egypt to tell them and to create an appointment for me with them to give them the papers which they need in the first step " the preparatory procedure for marriage"
I went there in last may and gave them all papers which they asked and it was translated in an official swiss language. I paid the fees which they asked 367 CHF because I wanted to fill 2 applications, visa D application and preparation of the marriage application. And I filled everything.
After one month an office in Muri sent a letter my girlfriend, asked her to come because they received my papers from the embassy in Egypt and wanted her to do the application "preparation of marriage" and she had to call them, she called them and they said those 2 forms which she got in the beginning must have a signature from her local community office.
She went to the local community office with those filled forms but unfortunately the lady told her that she can't give her the signature and when my girlfriend asked why they told her you can't get married before 20 years old and my girlfriend is on her way to 19 and one other thing you have to finish Ausbildung first.
When you reach 20 and finish Ausbildung come we'll give you the signatures.
We shocked and wondered how come evnn my girlfriend has the right to get married if she's 18 by Swiss law.
Now what could we do, we're in bad mood since yesterday because of that. Please please guys if anyone knows what can we do, kindly let me know.
Have you thought , it could be that authorities are concerned about your friends ability (who hasn't completed Ausbildung and probably doesn't work) to financially support you and herself when you are in Switzerland ?
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Have you thought , it could be that authorities are concerned about your friends ability (who hasn't completed Ausbildung and probably doesn't work) to financially support you and herself when you are in Switzerland ?
In the beginning they told her that no problem if you don't work but you have to prove that you are able to support me, my girlfriend asked about if she could do that with bank account, they said yes we accept bank accounts
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Either you wait, or you find a lawyer and hope that he/she can solve this for you. (expensive and also takes time)
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Were you asked to provide a paper (with an apostille) stating that you are unmarried?
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An update
Today my girlfriend got the reason's which they told her that, she called the office and they told her the problem is in your bank account, the amount is not enough, and they send that message
" Daraus kannst Du entnehmen, dass Du fuer den gesamten Lebensunterhalten aufkommen musst. Es ist zum einen zwingend eine entsprechende Reiseversicherung abzuschliessen. Weiter muesstes Du eine Garantie abgeben koennen, dass Du einen Betrag von CHF 30 $B!F (B000.00 uebernehmen koenntest "
And a pdf file does not contain anything refer to the marriage.
I have screenshots but I don't how can I attach it.
But that pdf file contains that.
Merkblatt Besuchsaufenthalt für visumspflichtige Ausländerinnen und Ausländer
Das Staatssekretariat für Migration (SEM) hat die Visumpraxis für den Besuchsaufenthalt von visumpflichtigen Ausländerinnen und Ausländern festgelegt. Es gilt folgendes Vorgehen:
1 . Visumantrag
Der Antragsteller reicht das Visumgesuch bei der für seinen Wohnort zuständigen Schweizer Auslandvertretung ein. Die Behörden können Drjttstaatsangehörige, die zwecks Besuch von Familie/Freunde oder aus geschäftlichen Gründen in die Schweiz einreisen, im Visumveffahren oder bei der Einreise dazu auffordern ein Einladungsschreiben vorzuweisen. Das Einladungsschreiben dient dazu, den Aufenthaltsgrund der Reise zu belegen. Der Gastgeber kann zwar für die Kosten aufkommen, aus dem Einladungsschreiben gehen aber keine rechtlich verbindlichen finanziellen Verpflichtungen hervor.
2. Einladungsschreiben
Das Einladungsschreü)en wird durch den Gastgeber der Schweiz erstellt. Es ist in emer schweizerischen Amtssprache formuEiert (Deutsch, Französisch, Italienisch) zu verfassen. Ist das Schreiben in einer anderen Sprache formuliert, kann eine Übersetzung verlangt werden. Es ist an keine besondere Form gebunden und muss durch keine Behörde begiaubigt werden. Damit die Auslandvertretung oder die Grenzkontrollbehörde. die für sie notwendigen Informationen erhalten, wird empfohlen, dass der Brief mindestens folgende Etemente enthäft:
• die Erklärung des Gastgebers (Firma oder Privatperson), dass er den Antragsteller erwartet; die vollständigen Angaben (Name, Vorname, Geburtsdatum, Adresse, Telefonnummer, E-Mail-Adresse und Staatsangehörigkeit) des Gastgebers und des Antragstellers; den Zeitraum des Aufenthalts; die Unterschrift des Gastgebers (bei Firmen: unterschriftsberechtigte Person gemäss Handelsregister).
Werden die Kosten für Reise, Unterkunft oder Verpflegung vom Gastgeber übernommen, kann dies ebenfalls im Einladungsbrief erwähnt werden. Darüber hinaus kann das Einladungsschreiben weitere Hinweise enthalten, die die Umstände und Gründe des Aufenthalts in der Schweiz näher darlegen. Sowohl bei der Einreise als auch im Visumverfahren können jederzeit ergänzende Informationen verlangt werden.
3. Verpflichtungserklärung
Kommt die Auslandvertretung bei der Prüfung der Gesuchsunterlagen zum Schluss, dass eine Verpflichtungserklärung notwendig ist* überreicht sie dem Antragsteller das entsprechende Formutar. Der Antragsteller füllt Ziffer 1 des Formular aus und stellt es dem Garanten i.d.R. dem Gastgeber zu. Gewisse Auslandvertretungen senden das
Formular dem Gastgeber auch direkt per Mai* zu. Wenn ein anderer Schengen-Mitgliedstaat in Vertretung der Schweiz Visa erteilt, kann ebenfafls eine schweizerische Verpflichtungeerklärung verlangt werden.
Eine Verpflichtungserklårung abgeben können:
• Schweizerbürgerinnen und bürger;
• Ausländerinnen und Ausländer mit Aufenthalts- oder Niederlassungsbewilligung;
• im Handelsregister eingetragene juristische Personen.
4. Garantin! Garant
Nach Erhalt der Verpflichtungserklärung ergänzt und unterzeichnet die garantierende Person dieses Dokument, Mit der Unterzeichnung der Erklärung verpflichtet sich die Garantin/der Garant:
Kosten betreffend Krankheit, Unfall. Rückreise und Lebensunterhalt welche dem Gemeinwesen oder privaten Erbringers von medizinischen Dienstleistungen während des Aufenthaltes des Gastes in der Schweiz entstehen.
für einen Betrag von insgesamt höchstens 30 1 000 Schweizer Franken für Einzelpersonen sowie für gemeinsam reisende Gruppen und Familien bis zu maximal zehn Personen, zu übernehmen,
Merkblatt A0720, Stand September 2018* sou 1/2
Die Verpflichtungserklärung wird wirksam mit dem Datum der Einreise und endet zwölf Monate nach diesem Datum. Sie ist unwiderruflich. Die Garantin/der Garant kann für die Kosten garantieren, jedoch rechtlich keine Garantie für eine Wiederausreise seiner Gäste abgeben.
Fails auf der Verpflichtungserk!ärung eine durch die Garantin/den Garanten abgeschlossene Reiseversicherung verlangt wird, ist eine solche abzuschliessen (Mindestdeckung: 50*000 Franken resp. 30 t000 Euro). Anschliessend sind die Unterlagen an die zuständigen Einwohnerdienste zur Prüfung weiterzuleiten.
5. Einwohnerdienste
Die Einwohnerdienste prüfen, ob die Garantin/der Garant im Kanton Aargau ordentlich gemeldet, mündig und in der Lage die Verpflichtungserklärung des Bundes im Notfali vollumfänglich einzuhalten, Falls die Reiseversicherung durch die Garantin/den Garanten abzuschliessen ist, verlangen sie den Versicherungsnachweis und prüfen die Mindestdeckung,
6. Gebühr
Die Gebühr für die Bestätigung durch die Einwohnerdienste und die Bearbeitung durch das Amt für Migration und Integration Kanton Aargau beträgt CHF 60.00 zuzüglich Porto. Die von den Einwohnerdiensten geprüfte und bestätigte Verpflichtungserklärung des Bundes ist dem Amt für Wgration und Integration Kanton Aargau zuzustellen.
7. Amt für Migration und Integration Kanton Aargau
Das Amt für Migration und Integration Kanton Aargau prüft die Angaben auf der Verpflichtungserklårung und beurteilt* ob eine anstandslose und fristgerechte Wiederausreise des Gastes/der Gäste gesichert erscheint. Ansch!iessend wird der zuständigen schweizerischen Auslandvertretung für das Visumgesuch elektronisch eine
Zustimmungs- oder Ablehnungsempfehlung übermittelt. Die Garantin/der Garant erhält vom Amt für Migration und Integration Kanton Aargau ein entsprechendes Informationsschreiben. Die Auslandvertretung entscheidet in eigener Kompetenz über die Väsumerteilung.
8. Inlandgesuch
In schweren Krankheits- oder Todesfällen kann eine so genannten Inlandverpflichtungserklärung eingereicht werden. Ein entsprechendes Gesuch kann durch die Garantin/den Garanten gegen Vorlage eines Arztzeugnisses oder Todesscheins beim Amt für Migration und Integration Kanton Aargau angefordert werden, Es handelt sich hierbei um ein verkürztes Verfahren aus dringlich familiären Gründen,
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Have you thought , it could be that authorities are concerned about your friends ability (who hasn't completed Ausbildung and probably doesn't work) to financially support you and herself when you are in Switzerland ?
Pardon, I couldn't understand what you meant!

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Were you asked to provide a paper (with an apostille) stating that you are unmarried?
Yes, that was in the beginning when I brought the documents which the embassy asked me to do it and translate it in german.

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Pardon, I couldn't understand what you meant!
I said the same what you have posted now as a response from authorities. Your friend cannot support you financially.

BTW, How does your own financial situation looks like and may I dare ask how old are you yourself ?
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That is very contradictie to what you stated in the OP.

It is a pretty clear and simple answer, your GF does not have the financials to do this. Objecting this is mostly a waste of time and money.

She can try to find a sponsor, or has to wait till she has enough income. Or you can try to find a job to ensure entrance to the country after which marriage is pretty simple.
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I said the same what you have posted now as a response from authorities. Your friend cannot support you financially.

BTW, How does your own financial situation looks like and may I dare ask how old are you yourself ?
My financial situation isn't strong, I'm a simple person not a rich person.
I don't know why do you ask about my age but it's ok, I'm on my way to 25

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That is very contradictie to what you stated in the OP.

It is a pretty clear and simple answer, your GF does not have the financials to do this. Objecting this is mostly a waste of time and money.

She can try to find a sponsor, or has to wait till she has enough income. Or you can try to find a job to ensure entrance to the country after which marriage is pretty simple.
Thank you so much, sir

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My financial situation isn't strong, I'm a simple person not a rich person.
I don't know why do you ask about my age but it's ok, I'm on my way to 25
Only wondering if it's not another teenage love story.

Anyways - is marrying in Egypt an option ? That won't make your entry into Switzerland any easier but I guess the primary motive is living together, right ?
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Do you have more details about this kind of sponsorship? Is it works? Do you know anyone who used to do this in the process of family reunification?
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Only wondering if it's not another teenage love story.

Anyways - is marrying in Egypt an option ? That won't make your entry into Switzerland any easier but I guess the primary motive is living together, right ?
Yes it's a very easy solution, but the problem is here the wife should not be less than 21 years, but generally the marriage in Egypt is more easier than Switzerland
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Yes it's a very easy solution, but the problem is here the wife should not be less than 21 years, but generally the marriage in Egypt is more easier than Switzerland
Does Egypt have different rules for foreign woman?
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Yes,, it does,. For foreigners (men or women) the rule is 21y otherwise it is 18 y for Egyptions.
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Yes,, it does,. For foreigners (men or women) the rule is 21y otherwise it is 18 y for Egyptions.

There's probably a reason for that...

That said, I would think the best course of action is to wait until she has finished her education and got a proper job with which she can support you.
This shouldn't take much longer than 18 months. In the mean-time, you'll have a long-distance relationship and only meet from time to time.

She's very young. The average Swiss woman doesn't marry until she reaches 30:

https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/de/home...l.6046525.html

Also quite fascinating:

https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/de/home...l.6046325.html

In 2017, only 49 men married in the "below 20" age group - but 361 women.

Anyway, I see you work in IT, so in theory this should give you relatively good prospects in the job market (depending on actual qualifications).
In the mean-time, you can use the time and work on your German. It will be very challenging to find a job without good German.
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There's probably a reason for that...

That said, I would think the best course of action is to wait until she has finished her education and got a proper job with which she can support you.
This shouldn't take much longer than 18 months. In the mean-time, you'll have a long-distance relationship and only meet from time to time.

She's very young. The average Swiss woman doesn't marry until she reaches 30:

https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/de/home...l.6046525.html

Also quite fascinating:

https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/de/home...l.6046325.html

In 2017, only 49 men married in the "below 20" age group - but 361 women.

Anyway, I see you work in IT, so in theory this should give you relatively good prospects in the job market (depending on actual qualifications).
In the mean-time, you can use the time and work on your German. It will be very challenging to find a job without good German.
Thank you so much for your reply
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It's obvious they think it's a sham marriage. Ridiculously young gf that has no finished education or financial means to support herself, let alone two people. Well of course that will raise all kinds of red flags...
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Yes about the possibility of sham. Apart from testing whether or not this might be a sham marriage, the authorities might also be trying to determine - especially since the bride is so young - whether it is perhaps a forced marriage (not allowed in Switzerland).
http://www.migraweb.ch/en/themen/frauen/zwangsheirat/
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Yes about the possibility of sham. Apart from testing whether or not this might be a sham marriage, the authorities might also be trying to determine - especially since the bride is so young - whether it is perhaps a forced marriage (not allowed in Switzerland).
http://www.migraweb.ch/en/themen/frauen/zwangsheirat/
But it is not a forced marriage, however what can we do to don't make the authorities suspect that it is a forced marriage.
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