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Permit for Child studying overseas

I am in the process of renewing B permits for myself and my two daughters. However, my eldest daughter is going to be attending a UK boarding school as from September. My husband, her father, lives there so I am assuming that she will be a UK resident.
Can anyone advise me as to whether it is a) possible and b) advantageous in any way for her to continue to have a Swiss B permit.
She would be coming back to Switzerland for her school holidays and will be finishing school in the UK in two years time.
If she is eligible to have her Swiss permit - will she also need Health insurance?
If she has a Swiss permit will that mean she cannot be a UK resident and therefore lose rights to NHS cover?
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Re: Permit for Child studying overseas

If she is a minor and your dependent, it should not be a problem retaining the B permit while temporarily abroad for studies.

You did not mention passport, but assume UK. Seems like there is a plan for post Brexit, but best to safeguard for what the future CH-UK relationship may be in terms of permits, residency, visits, etc.

When retaining permit, means resident here, means swiss health insurance. Other benefit, assuming you are working here, is swiss child allowance.

Retaining B could have advantages, depending on future plans... like studying here later, working here later, obtaining C permit, obtaining swiss nationality.
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Re: Permit for Child studying overseas

Thank you, RunningDeer.
Do you know whether she would be eligible for NHS cover in the UK and whether she would be considered a UK resident for university applications etc?
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Re: Permit for Child studying overseas

I would assume she can't be resident here and resident there, as that doesn't make any sense. Probably best to contact your municipality for information on how to proceed with the Swiss side of things.
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Re: Permit for Child studying overseas

You will need to deregister her from Switzerland. Her father lives in the UK she goes to school in the UK (friendships in the UK) and will eventually go to university in the UK meaning her centre of vital interests is in the UK not Switzerland. She can still visit you as a tourist and will be covered by the NHS and will therefore not need Swiss KVG / LAMal. If you do not deregister her, her current B permit will become invalid after 6 months stay abroad.
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You will need to deregister her from Switzerland. Her father lives in the UK she goes to school in the UK (friendships in the UK) and will eventually go to university in the UK meaning her centre of vital interests is in the UK not Switzerland. She can still visit you as a tourist and will be covered by the NHS and will therefore not need Swiss KVG / LAMal. If you do not deregister her, her current B permit will become invalid after 6 months stay abroad.
Mmmm… I don't think this is how it works.

Her current "centrepoint of her life" is at home with her mum and sibling. She eats and sleeps there every day. From here, she will pack a suitcase to go off to school abroad, but she'll be leaving her Swiss school-friends here, and will be in touch with them on social media. In her bedroom in the home she now shares with her mum and sibling, she will leave behind those souvenirs and momentoes of her childhood and youth that she can't fit into her suitcase, and on every vacation when she returns from boarding-school, she will rejoice in using her favourite mirror or microscope at home, and in taking her familiar bus-ride, and in seeing her friends and going out to all the local places, same as she does now. During the school holidays, she and her mum might go out to their favourite shops to buy her some supplies for school, just the same as they ever did. Perhaps she'll go to see her dentist or gynaecologist, because she prefers the relationship of trust that she has built with them, rather than starting anew in the UK. Then, when she gets ready for the next term at school, she will choose a new sub-set of all her possessions, to pack to take to the UK, and leave the rest… at home in Switzerland.

In this way, her centrepoint will be maintained in Switzerland.
See also https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...ml#post3079731

As long as she keeps coming home, there is no obligation to change this, not even though her father happens to live in the UK, too.

Keeping the B-permit can be a good idea especially since she is likely to turn 18 soon. Thereafter, if she has lost her B-permit, she won't be entitled to return to stay as mum's daughter and simply be issued another B-permit, but she will have to put in her own, separate, new permit application as an adult, according to the criteria for independent adults who wish to study or work in Switzerland.

I have seen the agony this caused to families who found themselves suddenly split up. Remember that, during the years from 15 to 25, it is very common for a young person to change their mind about where they wish to live, study and work, and it would be a pity if she lost the right to live in to her parental home in Switzerland.

The only advantage I can see - from the Swiss side - of deregistering her is that you will not have to pay for her medical insurance. Conversely, as someone pointed out above, you would then lose the children's allowance… which could be used towards those medical insurance premiums.

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Re: Permit for Child studying overseas

OP’s child will not even be returning on weekends. The permit will be invalid after 6 months abroad if OP does not deregister the child before. The local town hall will advise OP to deregister as the child will no longer be legally resident in CH for the purpose of maintaining a residence permit.

A family reunification permit was issued to the child as this assumed the family to be united – this is no longer the case
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OP’s child will not even be returning on weekends. The permit will be invalid after 6 months abroad if OP does not deregister the child before. The local town hall will advise OP to deregister as the child will no longer be legally resident in CH for the purpose of maintaining a residence permit.

A family reunification permit was issued to the child as this assumed the family to be united – this is no longer the case
That’s not quite true.

Studying abroad is a valid reason for retaining the permit, especially if the permit is tied to the mother.

Being at boarding school in the U.K. does not make her a permanent resident there. To be considered resident there she would have to be living with her father.
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The source of what I wrote: experience.
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