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Singapore 04.08.2019 01:19

L permit? Non-EU
 
Hello everyone!

My European bOyfriend is the boss of a small tourism company in CH and offered me a job/internship. Im from SG and it states i do not need an entry VISA even for stays of more than 90days, but i need a residence permit now. I am looking at L permit as short-term plan is sufficient plus i believe L permit is “easiest” to apply compared to the others?

I 100% have the job offer, the issue is convincing the canton to approve a permit. My boyfriend have no experience in hiring non-EU people so he is facing alot of contradicting comments with the relevant authorities.

I recently graduated from a UK university with a bachelors, below 25years old so i dont really have alot of outstanding experiences to justify...

Any advice on getting any work permit from the canton even when a company really wants to hire me?

Thanks for all your kind advice :)

Medea Fleecestealer 04.08.2019 09:37

Re: L permit? Non-EU
 
It's the cantonal authorities he needs to talk to.

As far as I know this is still the case:

"Nationals of the following states do not require a visa to enter Switzerland under any circumstances: Brunei, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand and Singapore.

However, the competent Swiss authority will issue a prior authorisation of a residence permit in the following cases:

a) for a stay of more than 90 days, or

b) a stay involving gainful employment:
lasting more than eight days, or
from the first day of work in the primary or auxiliary construction sectors, the hospitality sector, industrial or private cleaning services, surveillance and security services, itinerant sales and services or erotic services.

This prior authorisation of a residence permit is issued directly to the foreign national, or to a third party (employer), by the cantonal migration authority. The Swiss diplomatic or consular mission is not involved in this procedure."

Whether he needs to prove he can't find a Swiss/EU national to do the job I don't know.

If there's conflicting info on what the law actually is then he can contact SEM for a definitive answer.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...s/kontakt.html

Singapore 04.08.2019 10:05

Re: L permit? Non-EU
 
Hello Medea! I read your reply on another similar thread if you remember. The thread titled “mandarin and english speaking skills” where she plan to move from singapore to CH.

Your reply “What you currently have to offer an employer here isn't enough to make it worth their while to go through the time and expense of applying for a permit on your behalf because they know the application would fail. “ struck me.

With regards to my case, even when i have a willing company to hire me, the canton would, however, still not approve my application?

Well, the least is i do have a University (UK) degree and other language certification (german A2 & Japanese) of course English & Mandarin.

In any case, Would the canton want to interview me to justify my listed credentials?

Thanks for the insight though! :)



Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 3087966)
It's the cantonal authorities he needs to talk to.

As far as I know this is still the case:

"Nationals of the following states do not require a visa to enter Switzerland under any circumstances: Brunei, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand and Singapore.

However, the competent Swiss authority will issue a prior authorisation of a residence permit in the following cases:

a) for a stay of more than 90 days, or

b) a stay involving gainful employment:
lasting more than eight days, or
from the first day of work in the primary or auxiliary construction sectors, the hospitality sector, industrial or private cleaning services, surveillance and security services, itinerant sales and services or erotic services.

This prior authorisation of a residence permit is issued directly to the foreign national, or to a third party (employer), by the cantonal migration authority. The Swiss diplomatic or consular mission is not involved in this procedure."

Whether he needs to prove he can't find a Swiss/EU national to do the job I don't know.

If there's conflicting info on what the law actually is then he can contact SEM for a definitive answer.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...s/kontakt.html


Medea Fleecestealer 04.08.2019 10:17

Re: L permit? Non-EU
 
Can't find that thread under that title. Was the OP a Singapore national though? If not then the advice stands.

Also the rules for getting/keeping permits here changed recently so I don't know if that's affected anything regarding those nationals exempted from needing a visa to enter Switzerland.

Singapore 04.08.2019 10:39

Re: L permit? Non-EU
 
Thanks for the brisk reply. Link for the thread: https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...sh-skills.html

Prior to posting this thread i did email the Swiss embassy in Singapore and yes Singaporeans are still exempted from visa for stays over 90days. However, the consulate is not able to give advice on residence/work permits as it concerns the cantons.

Visa is settled, Job contract is settled, now the issue is work permit (L permit the least). :(


Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 3087982)
Can't find that thread under that title. Was the OP a Singapore national though? If not then the advice stands.

Also the rules for getting/keeping permits here changed recently so I don't know if that's affected anything regarding those nationals exempted from needing a visa to enter Switzerland.


Medea Fleecestealer 04.08.2019 11:09

Re: L permit? Non-EU
 
Well, the cantonal authorities will decide what type of permit you get. If he does need to go through the non-EU hiring then it's laid out in that link in the other thread. Advertising the job, interviewing candidates, why none of them are suitable and you are.

st2lemans 04.08.2019 11:24

Re: L permit? Non-EU
 
Get married, problem solved.

Tom

3Wishes 04.08.2019 11:38

Re: L permit? Non-EU
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Singapore (Post 3087952)
...I 100% have the job offer, the issue is convincing the canton to approve a permit. My boyfriend have no experience in hiring non-EU people so he is facing alot of contradicting comments with the relevant authorities...

Would you be willing to share which authorities he's contacted, and what the contradicting information is? Maybe then we can help you sort through it.

Or as Tom says, get married - assuming that's in the cards anyway. You can come here without a visa, go to the municipality to request marriage paperwork and figure it out from there. After marriage to an EU citizen you'll definitely have a permit that allows you to work here.

Singapore 04.08.2019 14:43

Re: L permit? Non-EU
 
thank you, everyone, for your kind responses.

marriage not really in our cards..

i read that many non-EU applied for L permit as a jobseeker. on what basis are they able to apply it on their own? Is it because they recently graduated from a swiss university, or, they are highly educated/experienced in their field of work? if i am non as mentioned, does it mean i have no chance to apply the L permit on my own?

My boyfriend and i are planning to visit the canton office next week, is that a good idea? what would i be expecting (other than long waits, perhaps :msntongue:) ?

NichtsBesonders 04.08.2019 15:05

Re: L permit? Non-EU
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Singapore (Post 3088042)
i read that many non-EU applied for L permit as a jobseeker. on what basis are they able to apply it on their own? Is it because they recently graduated from a swiss university, or, they are highly educated/experienced in their field of work?
if i am non as mentioned, does it mean i have no chance to apply the L permit on my own?

The only way for a non-EU person to have an L permit for job seeking is in the 6 months after they've graduated from a Swiss university, and then again they're not completely exempt from non-EU hiring rules during that period and getting hired is difficult.

As a non-EU person coming from outside, about the only kinds of Swiss permits you personally can apply for are:
- family reunification (but you said marriage is not in your cards)
- B permit for private residence without work if you're rich enough to not have to work for the rest of your life (think >10M net worth at least)
- asylum (coming from Singapore, probably not :))

Everything else is out of your hands, really.


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