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It's about time I move to Switzerland

Hi everyone,

I thought it was about time to start doing some "proper" research, find some answers and get some opinions from the wider community in Switzerland about moving to Switzerland

Here is my story:

My partner and I, have been in a long-distance relationship since 2016, and have been talking about the prospects of our future together.

I am Australian, he is swiss - canton of Luzern.

The main goal is for me to move to Switzerland and work since he owns a business there and has just recently purchased a house.

Obviously, we don't want to just get married so I can work and live beside him in Switzerland.

But we both know we are great for each other and can live with each other *(having travelled to each others countries for lengthy periods of time), and when the right time comes, make things official.


Obviously, as a non-EU, it is extremely hard to get a work permit/visa D in Switzerland. I have read the many threads on this forum about gainful employment and requiring an official job offer before submitting to the Swiss Embassy in Australia.

I wanted to find out if there is anyone out there that has previously been able to obtain a work permit with a background similar to mine:

Registered nurse with 5+ years experience, post-graduate studies in Intensive Care Nursing and Anaesthesiology, having worked in the ICU, OT and acute care wards.

I am a fluent English speaker, as well as mandarin, and High German of B2 level. Can understand snippets of swiss-german, but that will come to me if I end up living in Switzerland.

I know medical german is a whole new level but that is something I am willing to learn.

Ok, so my question is, without getting married what are my options in finding a job in the health care industry in the Canton of Luzern?

Anyway, any comments, feedback and opinions are appreciated! Thanks!
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Re: It's about time I move to Switzerland

Hello and welcome!

This doesn't answer your question (sorry), but while you're waiting... and just in case you've not yet seen these threads, here's the main one about nursing qualifications
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...itzerland.html
of which you can see ideas for collecting your documents for recognition of your qualifications here:
https://www.englishforum.ch/3045764-post135.html

and perhaps the Opening Poster of this thread could share with you how things worked out
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...-oz-switz.html
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Re: It's about time I move to Switzerland

If you click in the top bar on "Community" and then on "Member List", then look to the far right, two lines below "X Y Z", you will see the "search members" function. There, you can search through the members for such words as "nurse" or "Australian". Then you can arrange them by, for example, date of last post, which later yields
https://www.englishforum.ch/members/...stvisit&pp=100

Sometimes, by combing through posts of members, you might find someone to ask directly, in a private mail, who hasn't logged on for ages but might still have their PMs from this forum redirected to an active mail account.
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Re: It's about time I move to Switzerland

Thankyou...I have read those posts previously, as well as reading all the other posts related to aussies moving to CH...

Yep, I am aware of the process on how to have my nursing registration recognised through the Red Cross (noting that over the years, the process is always changing due to immigration laws in Switzerland changing) however I‘ve never been in touch with anyone (specifically an Australian) who has been successful in doing so... and then been offered a job in a Swiss hospital, in order to then apply for the Visa D.

Haha I don‘t want the easy way out to just sign some marriage papers... but all your opinions matter to me so I‘m curious to know what other people think.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: It's about time I move to Switzerland

Another possibility would be a concubine permit. Yes, that's it's name and it's for heterosexual unmarried couples in long term, committed relationships which ideally will lead to marriage. Note that not all cantons issue this permit so your boyfriend would have to check, but basically he'd have to agree to be financially responsible for you for 5 years and whether you'd be able to work with that permit is another question. Since he's Swiss maybe, but that's something that would need to be confirmed with the Swiss authorities.
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Hi everyone,

I thought it was about time to start doing some "proper" research, find some answers and get some opinions from the wider community in Switzerland about moving to Switzerland

Here is my story:

My partner and I, have been in a long-distance relationship since 2016, and have been talking about the prospects of our future together.

I am Australian, he is swiss - canton of Luzern.

The main goal is for me to move to Switzerland and work since he owns a business there and has just recently purchased a house.

Obviously, we don't want to just get married so I can work and live beside him in Switzerland.

But we both know we are great for each other and can live with each other *(having travelled to each others countries for lengthy periods of time), and when the right time comes, make things official.


Obviously, as a non-EU, it is extremely hard to get a work permit/visa D in Switzerland. I have read the many threads on this forum about gainful employment and requiring an official job offer before submitting to the Swiss Embassy in Australia.

I wanted to find out if there is anyone out there that has previously been able to obtain a work permit with a background similar to mine:

Registered nurse with 5+ years experience, post-graduate studies in Intensive Care Nursing and Anaesthesiology, having worked in the ICU, OT and acute care wards.

I am a fluent English speaker, as well as mandarin, and High German of B2 level. Can understand snippets of swiss-german, but that will come to me if I end up living in Switzerland.

I know medical german is a whole new level but that is something I am willing to learn.

Ok, so my question is, without getting married what are my options in finding a job in the health care industry in the Canton of Luzern?

Anyway, any comments, feedback and opinions are appreciated! Thanks!
As a fellow Australian who worked in health care here for 20 years I would say with your qualifications that you would have no problem finding work in a hospital/care environment.

As to whether you are happy living in Switzerland is another matter.
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Re: It's about time I move to Switzerland

Concubine
https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...ne-permit.html
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Re: It's about time I move to Switzerland

Such a derogatory word " concubine"!

"concubine is a marital companion of inferior status to a wife" quote

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The main goal is for me to move to Switzerland and work since he owns a business there and has just recently purchased a house.
In which canton?

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Re: It's about time I move to Switzerland

Ah, that's a good point, Tom.
Is he living in Lucerne, or a citizen of Lucerne and perhaps living in another canton? It is where he lives that is relevant, for a concubine permit, I think.
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It is where he lives that is relevant, for a concubine permit, I think.
Exactly.

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As a fellow Australian who worked in health care here for 20 years I would say with your qualifications that you would have no problem finding work in a hospital/care environment.

As to whether you are happy living in Switzerland is another matter.


I think I would be very happy living in Switzerland
I‘ve been back and forth since the last three years, my second family and „home“ is there now... and i have established many friends and contacts in Lucerne and other parts of Switzerland. Not to mention, I am a crazy chääs eater, love hiking, biking, snowboarding, mountains, schoggii, wii, flammmeli and fasnacht partaker... ahha!


That gives me some motivation. My boyfriend keeps saying to me that I need to write a letter to the hospitals but I doubt it‘s that simple, that‘s why I‘m trying to find some insight to it all! Even if it‘s in residential care or aged care to begin with so I can learn more of the language, that‘s already a bonus, critical care is just my passion in health care.

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Ah, that's a good point, Tom.
Is he living in Lucerne, or a citizen of Lucerne and perhaps living in another canton? It is where he lives that is relevant, for a concubine permit, I think.

He lives in Lucerne.

No i don‘t think I would be happy with a concubine permit though. I‘ve always been an independent person, so I think I would pull all my hair out of my scalp if i wasn‘t able to work! Plus I would want to be able to integrate with society, get to know the community, and give something back to Switzerland for allowing me into your country. It only seems fair!

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He lives in Lucerne.
So no concubine permit.

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Re: It's about time I move to Switzerland

I'm afraid I can't help with permit questions, but just an FYI for when you do get here:

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I know medical german is a whole new level but that is something I am willing to learn.
The Swiss Red Cross runs a course 'Deutsch in der Pflege' designed for folk who wish to work in the nursing and care-giving professions, emphasis on the appropriate vocabulary. An example is here, from the SRK Bern:

https://www.srk-bern.ch/de/bildung/d...in-der-pflege/

Now, this might be more focused on language skills needed in nursing home type care, rather than hospital nursing - but nonetheless something to look into to brush up your professional.

There are a few older posts by foreigners who were able to get their nursing qualifications recognised, one step of which is language proficiency. Perhaps have a browse of those threads and PM the posters to ask what they did to pick up their 'medical Deutsch'.

I hope you find a way to get here - we need more good nurses!

All the best...
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...I am a fluent English speaker, as well as mandarin, and High German of B2 level. Can understand snippets of swiss-german, but that will come to me if I end up living in Switzerland.

I know medical german is a whole new level but that is something I am willing to learn...
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...My boyfriend keeps saying to me that I need to write a letter to the hospitals but I doubt it‘s that simple, that‘s why I‘m trying to find some insight to it all! Even if it‘s in residential care or aged care to begin with so I can learn more of the language, that‘s already a bonus, critical care is just my passion in health care...
Do you have a certificate for the B2? If not, get that first and start working on getting your qualifications recognized through the Red Cross. You can contact hospitals or residential care centers if you want, but if you want to continue at the level you have (i.e. not simply a nursing assistant) you'll need the qualifications recognized.

From there, you'll need a hospital or care center to sponsor your work permit.

I know you don't want to get married and you're perfectly independent, but it is the much harder way to get a job here. Even if your boyfriend wanted to offer you a job with his company, in your current circumstances he'd have to prove he could not find a Swiss or EU to do the job and that you have special qualifications.
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Re: It's about time I move to Switzerland

If you haven't found this thread yet, there is lots of information for non-EU folks who hope to work as nurses in Switzerland:

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...zerland-7.html

However, post 121 is somewhat discouraging:

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As for the work permit thing, the SRK is only interested in awarding recognition to those who can already legally reside and work in Switzerland. So it does makes sense that that would be a requirement for the recognition process. (Although the general lack of nursing staff is an issue that Switzerland and many countries are currently facing. It would make sense for the SRK to make this a more streamlined process... but that's another story all together).
Which could mean your chances of getting a permit on your own, as a non-EU citizen, could be limited. You should look into this requirement with the SRK before going much farther.

So... I know it's not what you want to hear, and not what you want to do, but falling in love across national borders often means compromises. If you two are planning on 'making its official' anyway... you might consider marriage sooner rather than later. At least keep that thought in the back of your mind.


But again, I know little about permits in general and less about nursing. I'll leave this to those who do.

Hope you find a way to make it work.
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With your language skills and professional experience, I have a feeling you'll be in demand here.

I met an Indonesian woman through my language class who was in a similar position to you. Her husband has a Swiss father and Indonesian mother and had secured work in Zurich, so she joined a German class. Towards the end of the A2 level, she took a job at a geriatric hospital near Lugano because her husband was also able to get a transfer there through his work.

The hospital wanted her for her +10yrs ICU nursing experience and fluent English (she was surprised by that). The package she was offered was onsite accommodation until her husband was able to transfer and set up a home for them, full skills transfer training and they would also pay for her Italian and German language tuition. They needed her to start immediately, so her face to face interview was on the Tuesday and she began work the following Monday.

The following articles will hopefully go some way to showing you how seriously the Swiss are tackling their shortage of nurses.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/growing...rtage/42861098

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/health-...land-/45102084

https://www.2b1internationalconsulti...n-switzerland/
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Re: It's about time I move to Switzerland

Besides the ideal of finding work in Lucerne, you might also consider other areas.

Here are two links to the public transport network
www.sbb.ch
www.zvv.ch
which can give you some ideas of the timetables.

As I've observed it, the more remote areas tend to have greater difficulty finding staff.

And definitely, as others have said, work hard on improving your German to a level where you could work in in German with no problem. Good that you already have the basics.
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Re: It's about time I move to Switzerland

The word "Concubine" in English doesn't carry the stigma as the "Konkubinat" in German. Here is a website that tells you what your rights are in that living situation: https://www.konkubinat.ch/
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I think I would be very happy living in Switzerland
I‘ve been back and forth since the last three years, my second family and „home“ is there now... and i have established many friends and contacts in Lucerne and other parts of Switzerland. Not to mention, I am a crazy chääs eater, love hiking, biking, snowboarding, mountains, schoggii, wii, flammmeli and fasnacht partaker... ahha!


That gives me some motivation. My boyfriend keeps saying to me that I need to write a letter to the hospitals but I doubt it‘s that simple, that‘s why I‘m trying to find some insight to it all! Even if it‘s in residential care or aged care to begin with so I can learn more of the language, that‘s already a bonus, critical care is just my passion in health care.




He lives in Lucerne.

No i don‘t think I would be happy with a concubine permit though. I‘ve always been an independent person, so I think I would pull all my hair out of my scalp if i wasn‘t able to work! Plus I would want to be able to integrate with society, get to know the community, and give something back to Switzerland for allowing me into your country. It only seems fair!
Yes you should write letters to hospitals and also aged nursing homes.Aged nursing homes would snap you up. But better to try the hospitals first. Full resume in German with all references and education. And get them translated into German if necessary ) Address it to the Pflege Leiter/Leiterin. As your first step you will also need to contact the Swiss Red Cross. Your credentials will be assessed by SRK.

https://www.redcross.ch/de/thema/ane...sabschluesse-0
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