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Relationship between company and Work Permit

Two questions here:

1. For Basel (or whole Switzerand), how do you define "big" companies? How many employees should there be?

2. For "big" companies applying Work Permit for someone, in general will the chance be higher?
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T2. For "big" companies applying Work Permit for someone, in general will the chance be higher?
For a temporary position, might be, for a permanent position, probably no.
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Re: Relationship between company and Work Permit

Kamiyu, posting another question will not help you giving the answer you are looking for.

It takes time and it takes the time it needs. Nothing can chance that.
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Kamiyu, posting another question will not help you giving the answer you are looking for.

It takes time and it takes the time it needs. Nothing can chance that.

I just need a complete understanding about the situation so that I can make the right move NOW.

You thought I am posting question to get answer that I like to hear (self-consolating)?

No, I am not doing this kind of thing.
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For a temporary position, might be, for a permanent position, probably no.
Why do you think there is such a difference in terms of permanent and temporary position?
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Re: Relationship between company and Work Permit

The company is applying for your permit (I think). Nothing you can do now.
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Re: Relationship between company and Work Permit

Hi kamiyu

Have you seen this government information site www.ch.ch yet?

https://www.ch.ch/en/entry-stay-switzerland/
https://www.ch.ch/en/renewal-overvie...idence-permit/
https://www.ch.ch/en/working-foreign...-requirements/

Perhaps that will help you to understand the system better. Make sure you know the difference between a VISA and a PERMIT. Here's a post (from a thread of someone in a different situation to you) explaining what is meant, in Switzerland, by visa and permit.
https://www.englishforum.ch/2985008-post4.html.

I can certainly understand that you are anxious to know the result, and whether the permit and the job are going ahead. There is no real way to speed up the application with the government department. However, you could ask your potential employer if it is possible that they could please politely check with the government department to whom they submitted your application, whether they now require any additional documents. Sometimes, that question can jog things along, without annoying anyone or putting pressure on them.
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Why do you think there is such a difference in terms of permanent and temporary position?
temporary: you go home after finishing the contract or project
permanent: you can stay. that's why the government is much more strict
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I just need a complete understanding about the situation so that I can make the right move NOW.

You thought I am posting question to get answer that I like to hear (self-consolating)?

No, I am not doing this kind of thing.
As others have said, there is no "right" move for you to make at the moment. Your employer is applying for the permit. They're a big company, so they likely have experience in applying for permits. They know what the authorities would be looking for. Experience doesn't guarantee success, but odds are the company wouldn't try if they didn't have a good feeling about the permit being approved.

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temporary: you go home after finishing the contract or project
permanent: you can stay. that's why the government is much more strict
To be a bit more clear, permanent contracts don't always mean you can stay forever. They're still subject to renewal conditions. But yes, they do mean you can stay longer than if you had a contract with a specific end date.

I'm not sure when your company started the application process. Expect to wait at least 4-12 weeks. If further information is needed, you'll be asked for it. I know it's hard, but try to be patient and let things run their course.
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The company is applying for your permit (I think). Nothing you can do now.
Yes, the company applied the Work Permit for me. Just 1 week ago. They told me I passed the first step of the process. I guess this is just a preliminary step.

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As others have said, there is no "right" move for you to make at the moment. Your employer is applying for the permit. They're a big company, so they likely have experience in applying for permits. They know what the authorities would be looking for. Experience doesn't guarantee success, but odds are the company wouldn't try if they didn't have a good feeling about the permit being approved.

Yeah, we think the same. I do understand non-EU Work Permit application is an ordeal/time-consuming. If possible, I think no company wanna do this.

To be a bit more clear, permanent contracts don't always mean you can stay forever. They're still subject to renewal conditions. But yes, they do mean you can stay longer than if you had a contract with a specific end date.

I'm not sure when your company started the application process. Expect to wait at least 4-12 weeks. If further information is needed, you'll be asked for it. I know it's hard, but try to be patient and let things run their course.
The company just started one week ago. They told me I passed the first step. But i think this is just a small step though.

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As others have said, there is no "right" move for you to make at the moment. Your employer is applying for the permit. They're a big company, so they likely have experience in applying for permits. They know what the authorities would be looking for. Experience doesn't guarantee success, but odds are the company wouldn't try if they didn't have a good feeling about the permit being approved.



To be a bit more clear, permanent contracts don't always mean you can stay forever. They're still subject to renewal conditions. But yes, they do mean you can stay longer than if you had a contract with a specific end date.

I'm not sure when your company started the application process. Expect to wait at least 4-12 weeks. If further information is needed, you'll be asked for it. I know it's hard, but try to be patient and let things run their course.
Yeah, we think the same. I do understand non-EU Work Permit application is an ordeal/time-consuming. If possible, I think no company wanna do this.

By the way, in Basel what do you think about "big" company? How many employees?

I also learnt that big company Work Permit application receives more favorable treatment due to their contribution to canton economy. Is it true?

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By the way, in Basel what do you think about "big" company? How many employees?

I also learnt that big company Work Permit application receives more favorable treatment due to their contribution to canton economy. Is it true?
Kamiyu,

I empathize with your frustration at the process - but none of us can give you the definitive answers you seek. You've been given good advice - now you just have to wait.

Unlike other countries you may have experienced, Switzerland does not necessarily follow - in so many things - a neat check box where you know that if you have done X correctly you will get Y. Much depends on the individual - and other people's experiences are not necessarily relevant to your case.

I know it's frustrating. Many of us have BTDT, we understand.

(If you are considering other offers elsewhere, why not keep those plates spinning until you have the Swiss permit in your hand. Then you are covered no matter what happens.)

Look at the permit process as good practice for coming to terms with the uncertainty of living as a non-EU citizen in Switzerland.

I hope you get a positive answer soon, and wish you all the best.
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Kamiyu,

I empathize with your frustration at the process - but none of us can give you the definitive answers you seek. You've been given good advice - now you just have to wait.

Unlike other countries you may have experienced, Switzerland does not necessarily follow - in so many things - a neat check box where you know that if you have done X correctly you will get Y. Much depends on the individual - and other people's experiences are not necessarily relevant to your case.

I know it's frustrating. Many of us have BTDT, we understand.

(If you are considering other offers elsewhere, why not keep those plates spinning until you have the Swiss permit in your hand. Then you are covered no matter what happens.)

Look at the permit process as good practice for coming to terms with the uncertainty of living as a non-EU citizen in Switzerland.

I hope you get a positive answer soon, and wish you all the best.
Yes, I know you guys are giving me great advice. I know a bit worried as I have too many uncertainties. Most of which are about the time gap between employment, which makes me not sure what to do. And I do not want a break.

I do have other offers already (a temporary job in Sweden and one permanent-wise job in Poland). Yet, they are not that good. I am thinking to re-start job application, which is very troublesome.
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Yes, I know you guys are giving me great advice. I know a bit worried as I have too many uncertainties. Most of which are about the time gap between employment, which makes me not sure what to do. And I do not want a break.

I do have other offers already (a temporary job in Sweden and one permanent-wise job in Poland). Yet, they are not that good. I am thinking to re-start job application, which is very troublesome.
Look eventually it is very simple, this can take a week, it can take some months and nobody here can predict the outcome since we don't know the exact situation, all we know is that the company has faith in being able to do this else they never started this. If you don't have the time or patience to await this you should start looking elsewhere, if you have the patience just lean back and wait since there is nothing you can do about this.
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Yes, I know you guys are giving me great advice. I know a bit worried as I have too many uncertainties. Most of which are about the time gap between employment, which makes me not sure what to do. And I do not want a break.

I do have other offers already (a temporary job in Sweden and one permanent-wise job in Poland). Yet, they are not that good. I am thinking to re-start job application, which is very troublesome.
I don't know about other countries, but in Switzerland they don't seem to be concerned about a gap in employment if you've got the next job lined up and it simply hasn't started yet. This company has already made the offer and are going through the process for the permit. Did you already resign in Canada?

You've already got this application going from where you live now. If you move for a job in Sweden or Poland then I can only guess it could delay or complicate matters here.
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Two questions here:

1. For Basel (or whole Switzerand), how do you define "big" companies? How many employees should there be?

2. For "big" companies applying Work Permit for someone, in general will the chance be higher?
Why the second thread? Context hasn't changed. I'm not sure what answer you are looking for here. No one will tell you: your chance of getting your permit approved is exactly X.X% and you will know on date X.Y. It appears you have at least studied in the UK despite not being from the UK, so I would assume you've dealt with bureaucracy before. It is what it is and you simply need to wait. Asking the same questions over and over again from a slightly different angle won't get you anywhere. Not even the official authorities would be able to give you any security, let alone is this forum able to do that.

There's no definition for "big" and no, "big" companies generally have no better or worse chances to getting a permit. The rules for eligibility and process have been explained in your other thread already, they are the same everywhere. "Big" companies may occasionally have more experience in non-EU applications, but that doesn't mean they don't have to follow the same rules and steps.

And if you apply for a new job, particularly if abroad, there will always be all kinds of uncertainties. There's never ever a guarantee for anything, and especially will you never have any guarantee to get a work permit in any country outside your home country or wherever else you may already be legally allowed to work. This applies to Switzerland as much as it does to any other place. You simply can never take anything for granted and need to learn how to deal with that; if you can't, you need to stop going for it, and instead stay put and opt for a job in a country you are already allowed to work in.

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A persistent rumor, but not correct. It's the exact same process. For years companies have tried to circumvent rules by pretending a permanent position is actually temporary, to then turn it permanent later. Didn't matter the slightest and obviously authorities aren't THAT stupid either. So same process, same rules, same chances.
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Re: Relationship between company and Work Permit

The canton has approved your permit. As said in the other thread chances are very, very slim that you will not get it. 99% to 99.9% all works out well. Wait and see.

IF you want to worry: Did you read in your contract the part about probation period, how long it is, and under what conditions either party can cancel? If you think the permit stage is difficult you might be in for a surprise.
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Why the second thread? Context hasn't changed. I'm not sure what answer you are looking for here. No one will tell you: your chance of getting your permit approved is exactly X.X% and you will know on date X.Y. It appears you have at least studied in the UK despite not being from the UK, so I would assume you've dealt with bureaucracy before. It is what it is and you simply need to wait. Asking the same questions over and over again from a slightly different angle won't get you anywhere. Not even the official authorities would be able to give you any security, let alone is this forum able to do that.

There's no definition for "big" and no, "big" companies generally have no better or worse chances to getting a permit. The rules for eligibility and process have been explained in your other thread already, they are the same everywhere. "Big" companies may occasionally have more experience in non-EU applications, but that doesn't mean they don't have to follow the same rules and steps.

And if you apply for a new job, particularly if abroad, there will always be all kinds of uncertainties. There's never ever a guarantee for anything, and especially will you never have any guarantee to get a work permit in any country outside your home country or wherever else you may already be legally allowed to work. This applies to Switzerland as much as it does to any other place. You simply can never take anything for granted and need to learn how to deal with that; if you can't, you need to stop going for it, and instead stay put and opt for a job in a country you are already allowed to work in.



A persistent rumor, but not correct. It's the exact same process. For years companies have tried to circumvent rules by pretending a permanent position is actually temporary, to then turn it permanent later. Didn't matter the slightest and obviously authorities aren't THAT stupid either. So same process, same rules, same chances.

I am not asking for "exact" %. All you said is what we already know. It is not my first day working/living on this planet. I just wanted to know more about the situation so I can make proper estimate.

Your other answer to my previous post also says information that everyone knows. And you seem to like to give negative response (which is what I feel). This is not helpful to me.

If you are not happy with my post, why waste time on answering me? You can just leave my thread/post alone. Thank you.
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IF you want to worry: Did you read in your contract the part about probation period, how long it is, and under what conditions either party can cancel? If you think the permit stage is difficult you might be in for a surprise.
Or employment law/regulations in general, for that matter...

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I am not asking for "exact" %. All you said is what we already know. It is not my first day working/living on this planet. I just wanted to know more about the situation so I can make proper estimate.

Your other answer to my previous post also says information that everyone knows. And you seem to like to give negative response (which is what I feel). This is not helpful to me.

If you are not happy with my post, why waste time on answering me? You can just leave my thread/post alone. Thank you.
We already told you in your last thread that there is no such thing as an "estimate". Any estimate is purely a guess.

I really have no idea what you want to hear or what you intend to achieve.

If you feel the need to (yet again) groan at anyone that explains to you what the reality of the situation is - which is the only (!) thing that can be said with 100% certainty in this or any other forum - then I can provide that estimate: based on what you told about your situation before, I would guess a 95.4% chance of approval by end of this month.

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The canton has approved your permit. As said in the other thread chances are very, very slim that you will not get it. 99% to 99.9% all works out well. Wait and see.

IF you want to worry: Did you read in your contract the part about probation period, how long it is, and under what conditions either party can cancel? If you think the permit stage is difficult you might be in for a surprise.
The canton has not yet approved my application. I was just told I passed the first preliminary step.

My probational period is 3 months. Does this matter to Work Permit?

Why did you think there is a "surprise"? I don't quite understand
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My probational period is 3 months. Does this matter to Work Permit?
No, it absolutely does not matter for the permit. 3 months are normal.

The surprise is that getting job and permit is actually easy, keeping the job in the first three month can be much more difficult and less certain as you can be sacked no question asked with short notice time.
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