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L to B critical immediate guidance needed

Hi all,

I am in a problem need immediate guidance.
I am about to complete my L permit by 23-Aug-19. My company has filled for my L to B permit, 7 weeks ago with Aargau canton embassy. I called my company immigration desk they asked me did you receive grey forms I heard this from them for first time. During my second year L year extension also I never received any such forms. When I explained my company immigration team that I did not receive anything like that they asked me to approach canton office get forms fill in and submit. I called canton and used this word grey form they said they are not aware of any such forms. Now,
1. What is the purpose of this form. Is this for a formality?
2. Did I do any mistake should I have submitted this long back? or is it still fine?
3. Wheni asked canton about status of my permit they said as your permit will expire on 23rd you will get extension only after 23rd or in 1st week of sept. Offcourse I know extension date will be only after 23rd but don’t we usually get intimation whether our B permit is approved/rejected before 23rd. Will it be taken only after 23rd in to consideration?
4. Suppose if work permit is rejected how much time will be given to leave the country?
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It is important to note that Maruti is a non-EU person.
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Re: L to B critical immediate guidance needed

Hi Maruti.


I don't know what the grey forms are but I can share my story 3 years ago. I started the conversion process by going to the Gemeinde to get the Verfallsanzeige, fill it in and send it to HR. I told HR specifically that it should be from L to B that time. They stamped the form and I submitted it to the Gemeinde together with a fee. The rest was arranged between HR and Immigration. Usually it took me 2 weeks to get a new permit, but the conversion from L to B took 2 months, and since I applied 3 months in advance always my new B permit was valid 1 month before the previous L expired.
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Re: L to B critical immediate guidance needed

A grey form is a form used to extend your residence permit. it is a form submitted to your local gemainde. generally you will receive such a form around 3 months in advance from Bern and you should fill it, get it stamped from your employer and submit it to your local gemainder. However, there could be delays in receiving this from in which case you just go to the gemainde anytime before 3 months your permit is due for renewal and ask for the grey form. it is really that simple. it is called grey form because it is grey in colour.


For NON EU, an extension of the residence permit using the grey form is only relevant if the work permit can also be extended at the same time. normally the employer of the NON EU applies for work permit extension with the labour authorities. this process can happen in parallel although it is not transparent to the NON EU employee. so as NON EU, you can go and fill the grey form at your local gemainde (the gemainde sends it to immmigration office) but the immigration office will wait for the approval for the work permit from the labour authorities and will then issue a new residence permit (L or B) / or deny the extension if the work permit is rejected.


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Re: L to B critical immediate guidance needed

Hi aSwissInTheUS, thanks for adding and yes I am non-EU.
Hi Emily161 thanks for the reply, as we know rules keep changing not sure if something changed in past 3 years.

To all I need more help on this,
1. what is the actual purpose of the Verfallsanzeige?
2. Do we need to self-approach gemendie and pick this form, because I never did this.
3. Is this form mandatory because my employer says he has already filled for my extension ?
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Hi aSwissInTheUS, thanks for adding and yes I am non-EU.
Hi Emily161 thanks for the reply, as we know rules keep changing not sure if something changed in past 3 years.

To all I need more help on this,
1. what is the actual purpose of the Verfallsanzeige?
2. Do we need to self-approach gemendie and pick this form, because I never did this.
3. Is this form mandatory because my employer says he has already filled for my extension ?
As i said before, your employer can file only for the extension of the work permit and you have to do the residence permit extension yourself. the employer cannot have done the residence permit extension himself as the form needs your signature, stamp from the gemainde and also stamp and signature from your employer.
YES it is mandatory for a NON EU to apply for residence permit extension using the grey form (dont get confused with work permit extension filed by your employer). however i dont know if grey form and Verfallsanzeige are the same.


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As i said before, your employer can file only for the extension of the work permit and you have to do the residence permit extension yourself. the employer cannot have done the residence permit extension himself as the form needs your signature, stamp from the gemainde and also stamp and signature from your employer.
YES it is mandatory for a NON EU to apply for residence permit extension using the grey form (dont get confused with work permit extension filed by your employer). however i dont know if grey form and Verfallsanzeige are the same.


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Hi Happy creature,
My apologies I did not see your initial reply and asked same question again may be did not refresh my browser.
Now its clearer, hope my below understanding is correct just doubly confirming,
• Grey form is separate and work permit extension are separate processes.
Off course residence permit is given only if work permit is approved. Hence they can run in parallell. If work permit is rejected, then Residence permit applied using grey form also rejected as they are interlinked.

My one more question,
• If case if canton rejects the work permit and I get this decision after my RP expiry date how long can I stay in Switzerland. I mean what is time line given to leave Switzerland because even I would have few things to close here.?
• In case I get rejection decisions 3 to 4 days before of my RP then will I be given extra time as I need some time to do few closure procedures?
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Hi Happy creature,
My apologies I did not see your initial reply and asked same question again may be did not refresh my browser.
Now its clearer, hope my below understanding is correct just doubly confirming,
• Grey form is separate and work permit extension are separate processes.
Off course residence permit is given only if work permit is approved. Hence they can run in parallell. If work permit is rejected, then Residence permit applied using grey form also rejected as they are interlinked.

My one more question,
• If case if canton rejects the work permit and I get this decision after my RP expiry date how long can I stay in Switzerland. I mean what is time line given to leave Switzerland because even I would have few things to close here.?
• In case I get rejection decisions 3 to 4 days before of my RP then will I be given extra time as I need some time to do few closure procedures?
dont worry, you will be given enough time (around 2-3 weeks) for departure. you can agree this with your local gemainde.


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2. Did I do any mistake should I have submitted this long back? or is it still fine?
You should have submitted a renewal request (which I assume this grey form is) 2 weeks before your permit's expiry date at the latest, that would be Aug 9. So I would advise to go to your Gemeinde office immediately and apply for renewal. Unfortunately, you will probably be fined for applying late.
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You should have submitted a renewal request (which I assume this grey form is) 2 weeks before your permit's expiry date at the latest, that would be Aug 9. So I would advise to go to your Gemeinde office immediately and apply for renewal. Unfortunately, you will probably be fined for applying late.
I will gemeinde for sure today. I was not at all aware that some form like this exists when applying from L to B permit. I did not receive by post also. Only today when my employer immigration team asked i got to know. Anyways i will visit them today for sure.
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Re: L to B critical immediate guidance needed

Hi Guys,
I visited gemendie and understood.
Grey forms are given only if you are in B permit or C permit and need extension for next year in B or in C
If you are moving from L to B it like new B permit hence grey forms legally should not be filled.
Hence they were not sent to me
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