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Permit when living in Airbnb apartment (EU citizen)

Hi All,

I am about to move to Zurich to start a new job. I am an EU citizen (Danish) and is moving from London. As such I understand that I within the first 14 days from arrival will need to apply for my residence and work permit.

I have a unlimited permanent contract with my new Swiss employer and therefore understand that I will be able to get a b-permit. Is this correct? Is it also correct that I will get my work permit along with my b-permit?

My biggest issue is that finding the right apartment has been difficult, and I am therefore contemplating initially to move into an Airbnb apartment. However, my understanding is that usually you will not get a lease contract, so my question is whether I can still apply for the permit while living temporarily in the airbnb apartment?

Furthermore, will my girlfriend (Italian, and hence EU, citizen) be able get a permit on the back of my permit despite being unemployed? She is about to finalize a contract to provide a single company with services, but this might not be completed at the time of our move.


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Rune


Ps. Apologies if this has already been answered in another thread I didn't find.
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Re: Permit when living in Airbnb apartment

The Swiss residence permit doubles as a work permit when you have an employment contract to hand. You don't have two separate ones.

AirBnB's are tricky. Some cantons accept them if you have a lengthy booking. I would check with the Zurich cantonal migration office and see what they say.

As for your girlfriend, no. She can be here as a tourist for up to 3 months so hopefully she'll finalise her contract in that time. But she can't piggyback your permit since you're not married. The only way to do it would be for you to apply for a concubine permit for which you would have to agree to be financially responsible for her for 5 years.
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Re: Permit when living in Airbnb apartment

My advice: stay far away from using AirBnB for this.

I tried this on the advice of a lawyer when I moved to Ticino, but it was a world of pain when I discovered that legally it was fine, but the person renting out the ABnB wasn't doing so with permission, and my registration would put them in immigration jeopardy.

Long story short I sorted it all out, but it was tricky and involved a lot of hasty apartment finding and fighting with ABnB about refunds. No fun at all.
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Re: Permit when living in Airbnb apartment

In theory you can stay where ever you want. Campground, hotel, BnB, etc. Also, you must register and apply for a permit before take up work for longer than 3 months. In theory you can work up to 3 months w/o a permit, but you need prior submission of a notification. https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...n/ref_faq.html

In actual reality the authorities are reluctant to register your residency and issue a permit if you cannot show a long term rental contract (longer than 3 months). It could be beneficial at least to try to register and request a permit as this is what the law mandates even though you have no long term rental contract, in addition you might request a written, official denial.
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Permanent contract not sufficient (EU citizien)

Hi,

just sharing my experience.

Despite I signed a permanent contract with a large company in Bern, my application for a long term work permit was not considered because I have a temporary AirBnB accommodation (4 weeks).

According to what the operator at the immigrant desk said, I would need a 3 months rental contract.

Now the employer is requesting a 90 days work permit so I can start working next Monday.

Just a side note: the documents related to the procedure do not mention the type of rental contract (AirBnB or whatever it is)
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https://www.sem.admin.ch/dam/data/se...er-in-ch-e.pdf
"Residence - What determines the length of the residence permit? If your employment is to last less than a year, you will be a short-term resident. If you have an employment contract which runs for a year or more, or has no fixed term, you will be eligible for a residence permit. "

So,from my point of view, the information are inconsistent and to my eyes this decreased the reliability of the immigration office . Now I am quite reluctant finding a long term apartment (3 months or longer) as I don't want to bind myself to an apartment without a long term permit.

Before relocating here I even asked both the HR and the immigration office whether AirBnB was ok as a temporary accommodation and they said it SHOULD be ok.
APPARENTLY, IT IS NOT OK!!!!!

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Re: Permanent contract not sufficient (EU citizien)

You normally would get a B permit but as you do not have a long term rental contract they will only give you a permit for that period.

Find a place, get a contract, go back and ask for your B permit.
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You normally would get a B permit but as you do not have a long term rental contract they will only give you a permit for that period.

Find a place, get a contract, go back and ask for your B permit.
Find A place? I would feel a bit stupid to find a long term rental contract BEFORE getting a long term work permit.

I am checking with the immigration office whether they could give me a written reference about the exact procedure as I want to avoid surprises again
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Find A place? I would feel a bit stupid to find a long term rental contract BEFORE getting a long term work permit.

I am checking with the immigration office whether they could give me a written reference about the exact procedure as I want to avoid surprises again
Why? You are EU, the B permit will come when you have a rental agreement
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Find A place? I would feel a bit stupid to find a long term rental contract BEFORE getting a long term work permit.

I am checking with the immigration office whether they could give me a written reference about the exact procedure as I want to avoid surprises again
Unfortunately, you cannot avoid surprises. You may get a long term permit (B type) and your employer can decide to finish your contract before the trial period ends.

So, getting the long term permit guarantees nothing. You may end anyway in a long term rental contract, without a job and without a permit. Living in another country requires a minimum level of risk tolerance, it's never going to be the same as home, ever.
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Unfortunately, you cannot avoid surprises. You may get a long term permit (B type) and your employer can decide to finish your contract before the trial period ends.

So, getting the long term permit guarantees nothing. You may end anyway in a long term rental contract, without a job and without a permit. Living in another country requires a minimum level of risk tolerance, it's never going to be the same as home, ever.
I partially agree. Risks can be controlled/reduced or you will spend time in dozens of similar problems, getting fines etc... if you are not prepared. I don't like the cowboy approach.

We are talking about basic staff here, which are the documentation requirements and a entry level procedures that it are not clear to me and, apparently, to other people, (including my employer).
Beside that, I am the only one who provided a reference document , and apparently is not even valid/complete .

Anyway, these are personal approaches/opinion that may lead to endless debate about philosophical topics so I would suggest to stick to the main point of this discussion.

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As such I understand that I within the first 14 days from arrival will need to apply for my residence and work permit.
Yes, there are limits but also options:

a) find an apartment before the 14 days limit (1 week more is not a catastrophe).

b) a shared flat?The problem with AirBnB is that there's always an explicit date you leave. Shared flats don't have this problem. You may find ads about shared flats (tutti.ch, flatfox.ch) for short periods of time. 1-3 months. Pros: (i) the person subletting the flat just needs to fill out a form and sign it stating you live there (no questions about how long) and provide a copy of an ID, (ii) you get the permit and remain flexible to look for the ideal apartment. Cons: (i) sharing the flat =)
 

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