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Relocation to Switzerland just before brexit

I am new here so apologies if something similar has already been discussed.

A friend of mine is an IT professional with British passport, a year ago he decided he wants to live and work in Switzerland but never got round to relocate as he did not believe UK will leave the EU. But now it looks like brexit insanity is going to happen indeed so just in a few days he will loose his EU citizen status and relocation to Switzerland from the UK will become much more difficult than it used to be, please correct me if I am wrong.

Is it possible for him to fly to Switzerland as an EU citizen in the next few days before Brexit date, apply for necessary residence permit and any other paperwork (which ones?) and start to look for a job. It's unlikely he will find a job just in a few days but maybe it's enough time for him to register a company in Switzerland and work as an IT contractor, is it?

Also does he have to do come with his wife and children before brexit day or can they join him later?

Does this look like a doable plan?

Can anyone recommend a good Swiss immigration lawyer?
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I am new here so apologies if something similar has already been discussed.

A friend of mine is an IT professional with British passport, a year ago he decided he wants to live and work in Switzerland but never got round to relocate as he did not believe UK will leave the EU. But now it looks like brexit insanity is going to happen indeed so just in a few days he will loose his EU citizen status and relocation to Switzerland from the UK will become much more difficult than it used to be, please correct me if I am wrong.

Is it possible for him to fly to Switzerland as an EU citizen in the next few days before Brexit date, apply for necessary residence permit and any other paperwork (which ones?) and start to look for a job. It's unlikely he will find a job just in a few days but maybe it's enough time for him to register a company in Switzerland and work as an IT contractor, is it?

Also does he have to do come with his wife and children before brexit day or can they join him later?

Does this look like a doable plan?

Can anyone recommend a good Swiss immigration lawyer?

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Re: Relocation to Switzerland just before brexit

Sorry, but not really. As an EU national he could be here for up to 3 months as a tourist to look for work, as a non-EU it would depend on whether he needs a tourist visa to visit or not - not sure whether Switzerland/EU have sorted that out yet. As an EU national he wouldn't get a residence permit before those 3 months are up unless he has a Swiss employment contract to hand so even arriving as an EU won't help if the UK does leave.

Same for setting up a company. As an EU national no problem, but if it gets set up and he becomes a non-EU then that company is going to have to prove they can't find a Swiss/EU national to do any jobs they may want doing. Plus even as an EU national for IT contractor work I think he'd need to show he has at least 3 customers lined up to be able to be self-employed. Nor does owning a company in Switzerland grant residency rights for non-EU nationals.

To be honest, he doesn't want to move here because if he really did he'd have been sorting this out long ago. He just doesn't like Brexit.
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I am new here so apologies if something similar has already been discussed.

A friend of mine is an IT professional with British passport, a year ago he decided he wants to live and work in Switzerland but never got round to relocate as he did not believe UK will leave the EU. But now it looks like brexit insanity is going to happen indeed so just in a few days he will loose his EU citizen status and relocation to Switzerland from the UK will become much more difficult than it used to be, please correct me if I am wrong.

Is it possible for him to fly to Switzerland as an EU citizen in the next few days before Brexit date, apply for necessary residence permit and any other paperwork (which ones?) and start to look for a job. It's unlikely he will find a job just in a few days but maybe it's enough time for him to register a company in Switzerland and work as an IT contractor, is it?

Also does he have to do come with his wife and children before brexit day or can they join him later?

Does this look like a doable plan?

Can anyone recommend a good Swiss immigration lawyer?
No one will loose, or even lose, their EU status for a while yet as the fine detail of migration and residents' status has yet to be finalised. Personally I doubt that Brexit will make much difference in the short term, especially if you're working in an area with a skill shortage. Even if we get a deal by Oct 31, there will have to be a transitional period during which all these things must be worked out.

As you, or your friend, are not actually employed here yet, that will be a much bigger problem. Depends which branch of IT you're in but be aware that it won't be easy to find a permanent position -- regardless of your residency status.

If you're in Zurich right now it would be worth attending the British Embassy presentation tomorrow (Thursday 17 October) on this very topic.

Good luck.
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Re: Relocation to Switzerland just before brexit

Here the relevant information regarding Brexit form the Swiss government:
https://www.eda.admin.ch/dea/en/home...en/brexit.html

Specially see the FAQ of the State Secretariat for Migration SEM.

Here the relevant information about starting a business as a foreigner. Also from the Swiss government:
https://www.kmu.admin.ch/kmu/en/home...-national.html



There is indeed a difference between pre and post Brexit. If it is still possible to get such a permit before Brexit is a good question. Theoretically yes. The first hurdle might be less a job contract for more than 3 months or self employment, but a rental contract for more than 3 months.
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No one will loose, or even lose, their EU status for a while yet as the fine detail of migration and residents' status has yet to be finalised. Personally I doubt that Brexit will make much difference in the short term, especially if you're working in an area with a skill shortage. Even if we get a deal by Oct 31, there will have to be a transitional period during which all these things must be worked out.

As you, or your friend, are not actually employed here yet, that will be a much bigger problem. Depends which branch of IT you're in but be aware that it won't be easy to find a permanent position -- regardless of your residency status.

If you're in Zurich right now it would be worth attending the British Embassy presentation tomorrow (Thursday 17 October) on this very topic.

Good luck.
You should probably attend it yourself as a lot of what you are saying is wishful thinking. For a start Switzerland is not a party to the withdrawal agreement and once the UK leaves the EU, Switzerland’s obligations to the UK under those agreements cease regardless of what the EU/UK agree after BREXIT. And Switzerland has said it will introduce quotas.
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But now it looks like brexit insanity is going to happen indeed so just in a few days he will loose his EU citizen status and relocation to Switzerland from the UK will become much more difficult than it used to be, please correct me if I am wrong.
Hereby done.

In fact, getting a residence permit for Switzerland in case of a no-deal Brexit will be easier than it is now until December 2020, provided the pool of newly issueable permits reserved for UK citizens hasn't been exhausted yet. Other than that, the requirements will be less stringent than now; basically a job contract will be enough to give the right to both work and residence permit. See the links in post #5 by aSwissInTheUS.
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Re: Relocation to Switzerland just before brexit

Reality kicking in for Brits. Sorry sight, hope you sort it out.
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Hereby done.

In fact, getting a residence permit for Switzerland in case of a no-deal Brexit will be easier than it is now until December 2020, provided the pool of newly issueable permits reserved for UK citizens hasn't been exhausted yet. Other than that, the requirements will be less stringent than now; basically a job contract will be enough to give the right to both work and residence permit. See the links in post #5 by aSwissInTheUS.
Hm... I am struggling to see how this is going to be easier for a Brit to get a residence permit after Brexit when s/he will need to join the same queue with millions of jobseekers from India, China, US and the rest of the world... Can you explain?
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Hm... I am struggling to see how this is going to be easier for a Brit to get a residence permit after Brexit when s/he will need to join the same queue with millions of jobseekers from India, China, US and the rest of the world... Can you explain?
A number of permits will be reserved for Brits, probably annualized, until December 2020, which is when the transition phase ends. If memory serves it's 3'500 permits annually. To get one as a UK citizen all you need is a job contract, unlike other nationalities there will be no additional requirements, even EU citizens (future EU-27) face tougher restrictions.

Our government gave away the advantage it had and has, it's moronic in epic proportions to make these kind of concessions without additional payback, which there isn't. But it is what it is and here we are.
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I am new here so apologies if something similar has already been discussed.

A friend of mine is an IT professional with British passport, a year ago he decided he wants to live and work in Switzerland but never got round to relocate as he did not believe UK will leave the EU. But now it looks like brexit insanity is going to happen indeed so just in a few days he will loose his EU citizen status and relocation to Switzerland from the UK will become much more difficult than it used to be, please correct me if I am wrong.

Is it possible for him to fly to Switzerland as an EU citizen in the next few days before Brexit date, apply for necessary residence permit and any other paperwork (which ones?) and start to look for a job. It's unlikely he will find a job just in a few days but maybe it's enough time for him to register a company in Switzerland and work as an IT contractor, is it?

Also does he have to do come with his wife and children before brexit day or can they join him later?

Does this look like a doable plan?

Can anyone recommend a good Swiss immigration lawyer?
Relocation to Switzerland just before brexit

Thats a great play on words here!
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Re: Relocation to Switzerland just before brexit

Following the meeting with the ambassador last week in Zurich, not much will change in the event of the brexit: hard or soft. The quota of 5,000 will still remain for the UK nationals. 90 days in 180 days will remain should one wish to travel and look for a job. UK and Switzerland have got almost 6 agreements (5 signed and 1 in the process) in place to cover almost all the eventualities. For more details visit the embassy's website.
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