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Non EU Concubine Visa

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I am looking at a possible move to Zurich for a job. I am a UK citizen and the employer will arrange the work visa. However, I'd like my partner to join me, She is a non eu citizen (Asia region). We are not yet married but hope to be at some point in the next year or two.


Would she be able to join me on a concubine visa? She would also like to work. If not, would She be able to join me on a tourist visa (not working) until we get married then apply for a partner visa?


I have emailed the canton migration authority, but found the pdf they sent fairly confusing as my German isn't the best!
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Re: Non EU Concubine Visa

Welcome to the forum.

If you're a UK citizen your employer has nothing to do with getting you a permit. You just go to the gemeinde admin office where you're going to be living, taking your employment contract, rental contract and some passport photos and register as being resident in Switzerland now. You'll get your permit in the post in a few weeks' time.

To qualify for a concubine permit you'd need to agree to be financially responsible for your gf for 5 years and she may not be able to work with that permit.

No, she can't come here on a tourist visa for 1-2 years before you marry. She can visit you on a tourist visa for up to 3 months, but would then have to be out of the country for 3 months before she could return again for another 3 months. There is a fiance permit available, but that's for people planning to get married here in a few months' time, not 1-2 years down the line so I doubt you could get one of those.
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Re: Non EU Concubine Visa

Just a question... is concubine really the accepted nomenclature? It seems a little archaic to me. The male equivalent, Concubinator sounds, well, imagine Schwarzenegger saying it...
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Just a question... is concubine really the accepted nomenclature? It seems a little archaic to me. The male equivalent, Concubinator sounds, well, imagine Schwarzenegger saying it...
The English word may sound terribly archaic to you, but there's actually a term in German to describe this form of...uhm, partnership - Konkubinat. And it doesn't sound so terribly...pejorative? in German, I guess....
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Just a question... is concubine really the accepted nomenclature? It seems a little archaic to me. The male equivalent, Concubinator sounds, well, imagine Schwarzenegger saying it...

think it's from the french concubinage - english co- habitation.
but in DE still has this term


https://www.ch.ch/de/konkubinat/
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Just a question... is concubine really the accepted nomenclature? It seems a little archaic to me. The male equivalent, Concubinator sounds, well, imagine Schwarzenegger saying it...
I dare say that your thinking is lagging behind in that that it is not accepting of the fact that both men and women should be (equally) called the same names when in the same roles.

Why should the man need a different (better?) name? You are suggesting "concubinator" - a word that means maker/doer to someone or something (-the er/or ending of the word means that the person DOES something to someone or something, and not that it is done to them). It seems to me that you are bristling at the thought that men can be called something that only women were called, and possibly view it negatively.

I challenge you to think why there is no equivalent and derogatory name for a man who is the lover of a married woman. It is still the woman who is called a derogatory name.

I am guessing it is this is kind of thinking that brought down the meaning of mistress to mean female lover outside a marriage instead of the initial, more equitable meaning of master/mister.
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I challenge you to think why there is no equivalent and derogatory name for a man who is the lover of a married woman. It is still the woman who is called a derogatory name.
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"The bastard that f***ed my wife and I'm gonna....kill? "

(just joking, made a quick search in a few languages and there are terms, but not derogatory indeed, unless one uses them in such way)

Loved your post btw.
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The English word may sound terribly archaic to you, but there's actually a term in German to describe this form of...uhm, partnership - Konkubinat. And it doesn't sound so terribly...pejorative? in German, I guess....
I think its Swiss. Never heard it used in Germany.
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think it's from the french concubinage - english co- habitation.
but in DE still has this term


https://www.ch.ch/de/konkubinat/
Actually it's from the Latin, to lie together, to share a bed.

con = with
cubo = lie, recline or sleep

Other English words derived from cubo are cubicle, which originally meant a sleeping space or alcove (for example on a ship), and incubate, which originally meant to lie on [something].

In later slang Latin, cubo also meant the pelvis or hip (probably loaned from Greek). Same origin as the word cube because dice were originally made from vertebrae taken from the pelvic region of cattle.

So a concubine was somebody with who you rubbed hips.

Oddly both etymologies work.

Who said etymology isn't tasty?

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Re: Non EU Concubine Visa

It is a permit status here in French as well.

I think in English it could be a companion/partner thing? Though US visa only offers fiancee status. All others seem to be tourists/students/biz/family.

Concubinage (fr) is cohabitation and relationship (I wonder if one local income is also a criteria). Cohabitation per se is colocation (fr).

Concubinator sounds funny. There are plenty of gender biased terms still for jobs/roles. Actress, waitress....princess, queen. I think some will stick for longer than others.

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Concubinator sounds funny. There are plenty of gender biased terms still for jobs/roles. Actress, waitress....princess, queen. I think some will stick for longer than others.
It sounds totally wrong. Not least because the -ine at the end of concubine is actually a diminutive. And diminutives and gender modifiers don't really mix.

A male usherette is not an usheretter either.
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I challenge you to think why there is no equivalent and derogatory name for a man who is the lover of a married woman. It is still the woman who is called a derogatory name.
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Re: Non EU Concubine Visa

Concub?

Ewwww...Cub.

Concubine, Mary Magdalene.

Many things sound strange in a language, yet aren't strange. Heck, there are languages that make every word sound weird. Züriiitü....

Concubinor or -er sounds worse, tbh.

Concubinator would be a maker of a concubine?
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Concub?

Ewwww...Cub.

Concubine, Mary Magdalene.

Many things sound strange in a language, yet aren't strange. Heck, there are languages that make every word sound weird. Züriiitü....

Concubinor or -er sounds worse, tbh.

Concubinator would be a maker of a concubine?
It is strange the way things work.

George, Simon, male names

Georgia, Simona, female versions

Georgina, Simonetta, diminutive versions (female)

But what is the diminutive male equivalent? Georgey?

People do get called that, but its more familiar, you wouldn't want that on your ID.

Is the English language inherently sexist?
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It is strange the way things work.

George, Simon, male names

Georgia, Simona, female versions

Georgina, Simonetta, diminutive versions (female)

But what is the diminutive male equivalent? Georgey?

People do get called that, but its more familiar, you wouldn't want that on your ID.

Is the English language inherently sexist?
All languages inherently are. They reflect biology.

George and Simon are not to be diminuted.

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... And diminutives and gender modifiers don't really mix.

A male usherette is not an usheretter either.
Never heard of "usherette" , maybe it was used before my time. It is ushers. I wanted to volunteer as one at the super duper theater where I lived.

I propose Georgino and Simonetto for males.
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No, she can't come here on a tourist visa for 1-2 years before you marry. She can visit you on a tourist visa for up to 3 months, but would then have to be out of the country for 3 months before she could return again for another 3 months. There is a fiance permit available, but that's for people planning to get married here in a few months' time, not 1-2 years down the line so I doubt you could get one of those.
To be honest the time frame is irrelevant, we could get married in a few months time rather than a year or two. Do you know what the conditions for a fiancé permit are for Zurich?


I also know how concubine sounds in English 😂 But it is a valid term in the document from the migration authority regarding immigration, in German granted!
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Re: Non EU Concubine Visa

I don't I'm afraid, I'm not in that part of the country.

This has general info on marrying here

https://www.ch.ch/en/marriage/

My guess is for a fiance visa you need to have a definite date in mind. Whether you'd need to show paperwork confirming you've started making preparations to marry I don't know.
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I dare say that your thinking is lagging behind in that that it is not accepting of the fact that both men and women should be (equally) called the same names when in the same roles.

Why should the man need a different (better?) name? You are suggesting "concubinator" - a word that means maker/doer to someone or something (-the er/or ending of the word means that the person DOES something to someone or something, and not that it is done to them). It seems to me that you are bristling at the thought that men can be called something that only women were called, and possibly view it negatively.

I challenge you to think why there is no equivalent and derogatory name for a man who is the lover of a married woman. It is still the woman who is called a derogatory name.

I am guessing it is this is kind of thinking that brought down the meaning of mistress to mean female lover outside a marriage instead of the initial, more equitable meaning of master/mister.

I really can't tell if you're being serious or flippant.

After reading the thread heading I googled 'male equivalent of concubine' out of interest and the first thing that came back was Concubinator. A word I've never heard before, possibly because I have Man-Ears, well I'm deaf in one ear and the other functioning Man-Ear selectively filters out any derogatory language directed towards men.

Concubinator - being a Man, the only thing I can identify with is pure masculinity, such as is found in Vladimir Putin (especially on horseback), Kim Jong Un (especially on horseback) and Arnold Schwarzenegger, who will be back in The Concubinator - the Rise of the Adulterous Flaneur.

I was neither suggesting nor bristling at anything in the context of men. I'm inquiring as to the suitability of the word Concubine, as in English it certainly has demeaning connotations.

My post was to question the use of Concubine, and not to brizzle at any implication that a man can be anything other than perfect.
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