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Old 13.12.2019, 19:10
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Re: [Geneva] Taking employment while waiting for family reunification permit

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We were advised to get a "return visa" from the OCPM. However, my wife had to queue over 3 hours at the OCPM to get one, and the visa is only valid 3 months. So it looks like taking a trip that lasts more than 3 months is not possible, unless we return to Geneva to queue for a new return visa.
Now if that took 3 hours imagine how long permit applications would take.

Aside: why family reunification? Is she not a student anymore? Why not just continue being a student? If she also has graduated she can ask for a job seeker L permit as well. Maybe you mentioned that somewhere, but I missed that.

Ps: thanks for sympathizing with us non-EUers. Every year is a dread especially when the process is not clear. But as many have said, you learn to wait. The system wasn’t designed to be efficient, it was designed to do things correctly. Also for the workers there they are working in a climate where the news and referendum results speak loudly to restrict the numbers. They have no incentive to process them any faster.
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Re: [Geneva] Taking employment while waiting for family reunification permit

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Aside: why family reunification? Is she not a student anymore? Why not just continue being a student? If she also has graduated she can ask for a job seeker L permit as well. Maybe you mentioned that somewhere, but I missed that.
She is a student, but her permit expired. We had submitted both the form for the renewal of her student permit and the form of the reunification at the same time, but I think they ignored the request regarding renewing her first permit (I assume this is because you can only apply to one permit at a time).

But the main reason is that she would not be allowed to work with a student permit
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Re: [Geneva] Taking employment while waiting for family reunification permit

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We were advised to get a "return visa" from the OCPM. However, my wife had to queue over 3 hours at the OCPM to get one, and the visa is only valid 3 months. So it looks like taking a trip that lasts more than 3 months is not possible, unless we return to Geneva to queue for a new return visa.
Starting to doubt if you are a troll.
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Old 13.12.2019, 19:36
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Re: [Geneva] Taking employment while waiting for family reunification permit

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Starting to doubt if you are a troll.
I was simply replying to a previous post where someone shared information on whether it is possible to leave the EU while the application is being processed. The answer we received is that it is possible but time-consuming and comes with a lot of restrictions. I am not trying to troll anyone.

Since she cannot work, we would have liked to travel while waiting for her permit, and my point was that it is not possible to travel for long period of times. It is definitely not the biggest issues considering everything, but just adds to the list of constraints.
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Re: [Geneva] Taking employment while waiting for family reunification permit

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As for post 7, what would be the logic to reside here legally but not to be allowed to re-enter during that same period?
Maybe I wasn't clear. The case I knew of was a non-EU person who did have a visa to be in Switzerland for a while. Before it expired, she applied for a new visa. There were some delays with the correspondence. Then her visa expired. She was not employed at that time.

All of that seemed to me similar to OP's wife's situation.

The immigration authorities sent a letter to say "your visa has expired and so you have to leave the country". She wrote again to say that she had applied and had sent in some documentation and was gathering the rest. The next letter came from the office to say "we received your application and we are processing it, please wait".

It was during that time, when she no longer had a visa to be in the country (and hence should technically have left or might have been deported) but she also had confirmation that her application was being processed, that she was advised by a lawyer
  1. to carry the "we are processing your application" letter with her at all times
  2. not to leave Switzerland at all, in case she couldn't cross the border again when she tried to return.

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Re: [Geneva] Taking employment while waiting for family reunification permit

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I was simply replying to a previous post where someone shared information on whether it is possible to leave the EU while the application is being processed. The answer we received is that it is possible but time-consuming and comes with a lot of restrictions. I am not trying to troll anyone.

Since she cannot work, we would have liked to travel while waiting for her permit, and my point was that it is not possible to travel for long period of times. It is definitely not the biggest issues considering everything, but just adds to the list of constraints.
I'm a bit confused. I thought your wife was still studying, and that that's why she had also applied for an extension of her study permit. Oh, well, maybe she's already graduated.

It seems from your posts that you yourself have no need to work.

I learnt something, as I did not know about the possibility of a "return visa" from the OCPM. Thanks for teaching me that.

Overall, having such a "return visa" granted is great news for you both, as I see it. In that case, since you have the time (with neither of you working and your wife no longer studying) and the health and money for both of you to travel for three months, then by all means do so. Carpe diem. Just make sure you're back before the "return visa" expires.

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Re: [Geneva] Taking employment while waiting for family reunification permit

I am in a same situation. And for me I did not even receive an email at all. Did your wife get a permit if yes how long did it take? Thanks
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Re: [Geneva] Taking employment while waiting for family reunification permit

As this is a situation that can affect people quite dramatically, I would like to give a short update on our situation (also because some of the advice that was given here previously is not completely accurate)

12 months after having submitted the paperwork and our wedding, my wife still hadn't received a response from OCPM (other than asking us to submit the same documents again, because they were now too old to be used to review her file). So she still had no valid papers. Sending tracked letters (recommandés) did not make a difference.
Fortunately, since I am a Swiss citizen and because we are married, my wife's prospective employer had no problem with her starting to work already (it is a very large company, so they did have a lot experience with these situations). However, I believe it might be different if I was not Swiss, or if it was a smaller company.

We moved two months ago to Zurich after having received a new work opportunity, which means we are now restarting the whole process from scratch. We are still waiting for her permit from the Zurich administration, so the process is not super fast either, but they have been extremely responsive, clear, and helpful throughout. They actually pick up the phone, reply to emails, speak English, and there was no queue when we went to the immigration service. Here as well, my wife has been able to start her new job even though she hasn't received her official papers (but travel is still complicated, as she has no visa/proof of residence. We still need to go in person to apply for a return visa every time).
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Re: [Geneva] Taking employment while waiting for family reunification permit

In Zurich she should get it with in 3 months the first time and then if ever she needs any renewal it just functions really smooth, takes hardly a week, thats my experience.
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