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Couple in a registered partnership planning to have two addresses

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I am new here and I would like to say sorry if I can`t find the post or thread related to my concern or I must have missed it. Apology And also I post it here, wishing I can find someone who has experienced situations concerning/related my post. Nevertheless, allow me to post this.

I am a Non-Eu (Asian) and I am in registered partnership with a Swiss citizen. He is a from Lucern. I have a residence permit B. I live with him now in Lucern.

So, here`s the plan. I will be working and studying (German Language) in Zurich. To manage our time perfectly, we decided to have another apartment in Zurich. My question is, is it possible for the two of us to have another apartment in Zurich and have our names registered to it? And at the same time, keep our apartment in Lucern? If so, can we have our names and addresses registered both in Lucern and Zurich? Lucern will be our main address and Zurich as our second. We will be together at our two apartments but not all the times, because of work and study.

Does the immigration allow this? Does a couple in a registered-partnership can live in a different cantons without having the foreign partner`s residence be affected? And when applying for the renewal of the B-permit annually, will I have problems because of this? How about the counting of the 3-years rule requirement to live together and 5 years to apply for a citizenship?
Can someone tell me if this is not a good idea.

I am sorry guys for so many questions. We just really want to know if this possible and doesn`t affect my immigration applications in the future.


Looking forward to interact with you guys.

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Old 13.12.2019, 14:08
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Re: Couple in a registered partnership planning to have two addresses

I believe it will raise questions and as far as I know as a non Eu you cannot work and reside in different Kantons.

There may also be tax implications from Zurich (if you work there and you have a flat there they may think you live there and should pay tax)

Which may in itself raised the question on your registered partnership.

I would check it all out before implementing it.
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Old 13.12.2019, 14:30
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Re: Couple in a registered partnership planning to have two addresses

Different options.

Two separate residencies, yours in Zurich his in Lucerne
One Main residence and a weekday residence (Wochenaufenthalt)
One main residency and a weekend vacation home.

If one apartment is bigger and you intend to stay there at most weekends together it makes sens to declare this as the main residency and the other as the weekday residency of whomever is staying there.

https://www.stadtluzern.ch/politikve...z/13206/detail
https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/prd/de/...den/zuzug.html

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I believe it will raise questions and as far as I know as a non Eu you cannot work and reside in different Kantons.
Spouses and registered partners of Swiss are not subject to such a restrictions. Art. 52 and 46 FNIA https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a46
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Old 13.12.2019, 16:57
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Re: Couple in a registered partnership planning to have two addresses

When my late wife (Swiss) and I married, we had separate residences for nearly two years (until we moved to Ticino).

This was never a problem, though we both lived in the same canton (ZH).

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Re: Couple in a registered partnership planning to have two addresses

First, given the 46 min train between Lucerne and Zurich, have you considered one of you commuting?

If you really want to have two apppartments, on in ZH and the other in LU, your description seems to be over complicating the question. There are just a couple of very simple principles in your case:
1. Each individual person has one and only one principal residence, and optionally secondary residence.
2. Registered partners/married couples do not have obligation to have the same principal residence. However, as Swiss/non-EU couple, not having the same principal residence will seriously complicate the story by having to justify it professionally, while in your case I do not see really the possibility with the 46 min train commute.
3. Note that only principal residence comes into play in point 2, secondary residence does not have an impact.

So, if you want to have a secondary appartement as Zurich, thé easiest way is that your partner rents such an appartement and registers as his or your both secondary residence. You can stay there when you need. As long as you guys stay together a few days per week in your principal residence in LU there is no problem.

Regarding all questions of permit/naturalization, again, only the principal residence is ever relevant. Secondary residence is not.

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Hi! Guys!

I am new here and I would like to say sorry if I can`t find the post or thread related to my concern or I must have missed it. Apology And also I post it here, wishing I can find someone who has experienced situations concerning/related my post. Nevertheless, allow me to post this.

I am a Non-Eu (Asian) and I am in registered partnership with a Swiss citizen. He is a from Lucern. I have a residence permit B. I live with him now in Lucern.

So, here`s the plan. I will be working and studying (German Language) in Zurich. To manage our time perfectly, we decided to have another apartment in Zurich. My question is, is it possible for the two of us to have another apartment in Zurich and have our names registered to it? And at the same time, keep our apartment in Lucern? If so, can we have our names and addresses registered both in Lucern and Zurich? Lucern will be our main address and Zurich as our second. We will be together at our two apartments but not all the times, because of work and study.

Does the immigration allow this? Does a couple in a registered-partnership can live in a different cantons without having the foreign partner`s residence be affected? And when applying for the renewal of the B-permit annually, will I have problems because of this? How about the counting of the 3-years rule requirement to live together and 5 years to apply for a citizenship?
Can someone tell me if this is not a good idea.

I am sorry guys for so many questions. We just really want to know if this possible and doesn`t affect my immigration applications in the future.


Looking forward to interact with you guys.

Thank you.

Sapiryan
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Old 29.12.2019, 03:56
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Re: Couple in a registered partnership planning to have two addresses

Couples do not have to live together. EDIT: Please see the three posts that follow this one (posts 7, 8, and 9), which relativise and explain this statement. However, not living together (especially when they used to live together but stop doing so) can cause doubts about the truth that they are [still] a couple.

In Switzerland, each person can rent as many apartments, anywhere, as they can afford, but each person always has one and only one domicile.

For the purposes of the immigration authorities, your and your partner's task is always to demonstrate that you are a bona fide couple, and one of the easiest and most truthful ways to do that is to share a "centre point of your lives".

Here's a single post and a thread about two different situations, but which both explain the Swiss concept of "centre point".
https://www.englishforum.ch/3080080-post6.html
https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...living-zh.html

As long as you and your partner can demonstrate that you both primarily share the same "centre point", and just sometimes one or both of you uses the convenience of a flat in another city for a few days, before returning home (where the "centre point" is), there will be no problem.

I agree with Happyrobbie's precaution, though, that it might be best if the Zurich flat is in your partner's name.
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So, if you want to have a secondary appartement as Zurich, thé easiest way is that your partner rents such an appartement and registers as his or your both secondary residence. You can stay there when you need. As long as you guys stay together a few days per week in your principal residence in LU there is no problem.

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Old 29.12.2019, 09:24
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Couples do not have to live together.
Is that universally true these days? When I first moved here as a non-EU spouse of a Swiss citizen, one of the requirements to get a permit was to be living with my spouse. It was still required on each annual renewal, and again when I went through naturalization, and every time both my spouse and I had to sign that we were still married, still living together, and no intent to separate or divorce. That was a few years ago so things may have changed. I suppose registered partnerships could also be different, but it seems unlikely.
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Re: Couple in a registered partnership planning to have two addresses

Oh, yes, 3Wishes, you're probably right. I stand corrected.

In fact, the couples of whom I was thinking when I wrote that, who do not, or did not, live together, were all in situations where their individual permit/residence status had nothing to do with the other. I do think, on reflection, that when one person's permit is dependent upon the other, then, yes, they have to live together.
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Othe couples of whom I was thinking when I wrote that, who do not, or did not, live together, were all in situations where their individual permit/residence status had nothing to do with the other.
My case as well, wife Swiss, me with independent B, two single room apartments, each too small for two people, so we kept separate registration for almost two years (until we moved to Ticino).

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