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Old 05.01.2020, 14:38
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The "obvious reason" to me would be you're thinking about a hitman apprenticeship.
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It's drones now. And they apparently are even socially acceptable.
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Re: How to get a suppressor [pistol silencer]?

I just tried to google this (via Tor, just to be sure..ho-ho-ho, so it used DDG anyway...) and it seems that until five years ago, it was just a question of asking for a permit.

However, since then the law has changed (by virtue of EU legislation regulating automatics and semi-automatics).

So, one really needs to ask the KaPo ZH.


https://forum.waffen-online.de/topic...r-z%C3%BCrich/


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https://www.protell.ch/de/haufig-ges...fragen#theme18


As for weapons in general, I have a collection of chef-knives and whenever there is a "knife-crime", some people seem to have the urge to regulate the ownership of those, too.
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Old 05.01.2020, 15:35
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Re: How to get a suppressor [pistol silencer]?

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As for weapons in general, I have a collection of chef-knives and whenever there is a "knife-crime", some people seem to have the urge to regulate the ownership of those, too.
They are being regulated in other countries. The problem is that regulating those knives in Switzerland isn't as easy due to Victorinox and Switzerland's global image of quality knife-designing. Hey, I live in the vicinity of the Swiss Knife Valley.
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Re: How to get a suppressor [pistol silencer]?

Looks like the question ruffled a lot of feathers. Although I am a strong advocate for extremely strict gun control regulations (and no allowance for concealed carry), I see no harm in people who meet the strict criteria for gun ownership to have one, and to bring it straight to and from home and shooting range.

In my opinion it's a nice hobby (to use them in a safe and well set-up place). I see no harm either in wanting accessories for it, particularly one that makes quite a bit of sense in a range, where shooting noises are amplified by the confines of the walls. For anyone who served in the military or ever shot a gun, you know that after 10 rounds it's rather annoying. What's the harm?
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where shooting noises are amplified by the confines of the walls. For anyone who served in the military or ever shot a gun, you know that after 10 rounds it's rather annoying.
The noise inside a range isn’t an issue for anyone wearing noise reduction ear defenders.
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In my opinion it's a nice hobby (to use them in a safe and well set-up place).
Yes, thank you. It is not like you can really say that anywhere anymore these days. It is a great sport. That, chess, pool and skiing is fab for training concentration. And less noise, more focus.
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Old 05.01.2020, 20:37
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The noise inside a range isn’t an issue for anyone wearing noise reduction ear defenders.
Which you would be wearing anyway as the people either side of you at the range would probably not be using silencers themselves.
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Re: How to get a suppressor [pistol silencer]?

You're focusing on the small stuff, about the noise itself (partly understandable, as the silencer has only one goal). But the point is: if used responsibly, why the numerous flaming responses in this thread? Are we assuming the OP is anything less than a responsible legal resident in Switzerland who has been deemed suitable by Swiss standards to hold a fire arm?

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Yes, thank you. It is not like you can really say that anywhere anymore these days. It is a great sport. That, chess, pool and skiing is fab for training concentration. And less noise, more focus.
Yeap, that. For anyone who never shot a fire arm or hasn't thought about it, shooting is also about precision, concentration, body control, etc, to allow you to hit a paper target's bullseye measuring 3.5cm from a 300 meter distance (or 8cm from a 600 meters distance).
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You're focusing on the small stuff, about the noise itself (partly understandable, as the silencer has only one goal). But the point is: if used responsibly, why the numerous flaming responses in this thread?
I think it's representative of a general view, perhaps especially outside the US, that guns are not toys. It's clear that the OP views them as such, e.g.
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... I like playing with accessories: pimp my pistol, so to speak.
so the reactions to his posts are not surprising.
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Re: How to get a suppressor [pistol silencer]?

I typically wear earplugs AND ear defenders when shooting which is more than adequate to reduce noise. I had once looked into getting a silencer not for my own ear protection, but to reduce noise emitted so as not to disturb (or alarm!) neighbours (I constructed a shooting range in the cellar).

However, aside from the legal aspects there are other downsides to silencers:

- change in weight/feel of the pistol when shooting
- change in recoil profile
- change in muzzle velocity
- potential overheating
- pretty much pointless unless you're using subsonic ammo

in the end, i decided it was not worth it.

you can actually buy a kind of large sound insulated tube which you shoot through, but since this is open at both ends, i suspect it isn't that effective. might as well just try to soundproof the entire room.
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Old 06.01.2020, 11:26
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Re: How to get a suppressor [pistol silencer]?

OK, I see where you're coming from, and I can understand it.

Maybe we need to take the original statements with a grain of salt. I am also a musician, and have a few instruments at home. And tons of accessories. So I could relate to the OP's statement of "pimping the tool", e.g. buying cases/gigbags, different tuners and knobs, different cables, etc. I didn't read that he would literally thing of his guns as toys.
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just use the MT space between your ears, that should work nicely!

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You're focusing on the small stuff, about the noise itself (partly understandable, as the silencer has only one goal). But the point is: if used responsibly, why the numerous flaming responses in this thread? Are we assuming the OP is anything less than a responsible legal resident in Switzerland who has been deemed suitable by Swiss standards to hold a fire arm?



Yeap, that. For anyone who never shot a fire arm or hasn't thought about it, shooting is also about precision, concentration, body control, etc, to allow you to hit a paper target's bullseye measuring 3.5cm from a 300 meter distance (or 8cm from a 600 meters distance).
I don't see such far away targets too precisely. But my head can usually calculate them ok. The whole exercise is really useful.
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However, aside from the legal aspects there are other downsides to silencers:

- change in weight/feel of the pistol when shooting
- change in recoil profile
- change in muzzle velocity
- potential overheating
- pretty much pointless unless you're using subsonic ammo
Not wanting to disturb neighbours is a legitimate reason to have a silencer.

I'm not a big fan. My pistol training is usually from a holster.

And, on some small calibre semi-auto pistols, the silencer prevents sufficient blowback to load the next cartridge in the chamber.
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And, on some small calibre semi-auto pistols, the silencer prevents sufficient blowback to load the next cartridge in the chamber.



At my age, i know the problem only too well
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Looks like the question ruffled a lot of feathers. Although I am a strong advocate for extremely strict gun control regulations (and no allowance for concealed carry), I see no harm in people who meet the strict criteria for gun ownership to have one, and to bring it straight to and from home and shooting range.

In my opinion it's a nice hobby (to use them in a safe and well set-up place). I see no harm either in wanting accessories for it, particularly one that makes quite a bit of sense in a range, where shooting noises are amplified by the confines of the walls. For anyone who served in the military or ever shot a gun, you know that after 10 rounds it's rather annoying. What's the harm?
Thank you for your respectful and reasonable response.

Through a PM I received details around getting a suppressor and will follow that path.
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Re: How to get a suppressor [pistol silencer]?

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so the reactions to his posts are not surprising.
Utter nonsense. The reactions (including yours) are sooner a display of ignorance and narrow mindedness.

If you are so anti-gun then just go post in an anti-gun thread.
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OK, I see where you're coming from, and I can understand it.

Maybe we need to take the original statements with a grain of salt. I am also a musician, and have a few instruments at home. And tons of accessories. So I could relate to the OP's statement of "pimping the tool", e.g. buying cases/gigbags, different tuners and knobs, different cables, etc. I didn't read that he would literally thing of his guns as toys.
Exactly. In today's excessively politically correct world every simple statement apparently needs to become a 10 page message discussing every nuance and alternative to avoid some snowflake getting upset.
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