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Re: Language requirement increased for permits from 2020

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Not the British ones.

Government and local government information in the U.K. is often available in several languages.

One local council allows you to select many languages from Afrikanns to Zulu.
Before moving to Switzerland I used to work in a multinational company back home, don't know a single expat who could speak my language. I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect people to speak the local lingo right from the start. Those who stick around more will see the necessity to understand and speak the local language(s).
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Re: Language requirement increased for permits from 2020

So to recap C may be downgraded to B. What about B downgrade to L?
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Re: Language requirement increased for permits from 2020

OH's permit was up for renewal in December, he's been here 5 years and was offered the chance to upgrade to a C. However, despite taking classes he wasn't confident he could achieve the right level of certification (he fell behind and missed a number of classes last year when his mother was dying and he had to shuttle back and forth to London). We just sent back a short letter in German to explain he was taking classes but was not at the required level for a C yet and they just renewed his B permit a few days later.

It's not that important for us as we're late 50s and we know it won't be financially possible for us to retire here.
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"Starting January 1, 2020, most foreign nationals will be required to obtain certified language certificates to prove they have met Switzerland’s language integration requirements, which may prolong the document-gathering process for B and C permit applications."

Umm, no.

Most foreign nationals are Italian, German, French or from other exempt countries.

Totally fake news.

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Other exempt countries? Is there an official list?

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Old 20.01.2021, 11:29
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Other exempt countries? Is there an official list?

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See the post below from Medea, pulled from another thread:

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...What's his other nationality? Some EU countries are exempt from needing the language certificate.

EU nationalities language exemption: Belgium, Germany, Denmark, France, Liechtenstein, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Austria, Portugal and Spain.
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See the post below from Medea, pulled from another thread:
Cool, thank you very much!!

Is this only for C permit or is it valid for B too? Is this valid in every canton?
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Old 20.01.2021, 12:30
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Cool, thank you very much!!

Is this only for C permit or is it valid for B too? Is this valid in every canton?
It's Federal law so valid in all cantons and applies to all permit types.
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Before moving to Switzerland I used to work in a multinational company back home, don't know a single expat who could speak my language. I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect people to speak the local lingo right from the start. Those who stick around more will see the necessity to understand and speak the local language(s).
Unfortuntately, many don't- as they live parrallel lives working and socialising with other expats. Just don't get it myself- but it seems very clear, and not just in Switzerland, but all over.
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Before moving to Switzerland I used to work in a multinational company back home, don't know a single expat who could speak my language. I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect people to speak the local lingo right from the start. Those who stick around more will see the necessity to understand and speak the local language(s).
I've never worked in a multinational company, just local ones, so not learning the local language was never an option.

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I've never worked in a multinational company, just local ones, so not learning the local language was never an option.

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It's always the same in the multinational companies. Those planning to stick around (married locally or just loving it in their new host place) learn the local language, have local buddies, kids in local schools... It is not surprising that the host place wants to award their permits to those who show that their priority is to stay..Good investment.

I have expat friends back in CZ who managed to get fluent in the local language, a lot less useful than Swiss languages and a lot more difficult. Like Chinese difficult.
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Re: Language requirement increased for permits from 2020

For everyone’s benefit an EU/EFTA B permit cannot be denied renewal only based on not being able to produce a language certificate (Swiss-EU bilateral treaty)

An EU/EFTA C permit can however be downgraded to an EU/EFTA B permit based only on lack of language skills (Swiss law).
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It's always the same in the multinational companies. Those planning to stick around (married locally or just loving it in their new host place) learn the local language, have local buddies, kids in local schools... It is not surprising that the host place wants to award their permits to those who show that their priority is to stay..Good investment.

I have expat friends back in CZ who managed to get fluent in the local language, a lot less useful than Swiss languages and a lot more difficult. Like Chinese difficult.
Switzerland is complicated by Swiss German - I speak decent German, good enough to not need to translate normal correspondence and to hold a conversation, but I still struggle with the local dialect if people go full-on Schweizerdeutch.

I probably need to immerse more, but haven't found much media that would help start that - the vast majority of (watchable!) TV seems to be German. Probably when I finish my current German course (delayed by coronavirus) I'm thinking of doing a Swiss German conversation course.
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Switzerland is complicated by Swiss German - I speak decent German, good enough to not need to translate normal correspondence and to hold a conversation, but I still struggle with the local dialect if people go full-on Schweizerdeutch.

I probably need to immerse more, but haven't found much media that would help start that - the vast majority of (watchable!) TV seems to be German. Probably when I finish my current German course (delayed by coronavirus) I'm thinking of doing a Swiss German conversation course.
Find a local TV station, it is in dialect as far as I saw..friends/hobbies help. Though one has to be observant, if you crochet with 80 yeard olds, you will mirror their language, etc. (in non covid times that is)
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Find a local TV station, it is in dialect as far as I saw..friends/hobbies help. Though one has to be observant, if you crochet with 80 yeard olds, you will mirror their language, etc. (in non covid times that is)
Yes I tried local television - the comment on crochet is apt, no offense but that would probably be slightly more watchable than the local content I've found!
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Switzerland is complicated by Swiss German
I normally only watch/listen to Italian language programming, so no problem (unless we go to Italy and they can't understand our Italian!)

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Re: Language requirement increased for permits from 2020

Generally the Swiss-German you hear in the cities like Basel and Zurich that the non-Swiss complain about is Swiss-German-Lite. Watch the SRF ski coverage on a weekend or a local weather forecast and you'll experience what full-on Swiss-German is.
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I've never worked in a multinational company, just local ones, so not learning the local language was never an option.

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Keep in mind that some years ago there were people who moved to different parts of the world on international assignment contracts, which were usually for two to four years. Yes, people tried to learn the local lingo, with more or less success, but to speak fluently...that is usually done by those who plan to stick around more. Those who move on local contracts, sometimes even accept a pay cut etc. I know there are many people like that, who adapt and settle, but it wasn't very common in my company back then. I know it's more and more common these days, since EU and all that.
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Yes I tried local television - the comment on crochet is apt, no offense but that would probably be slightly more watchable than the local content I've found!
Don't see it as TV, compare it to your boring language textbook. Try also the evening news. Maybe we got better local TV but I love watching a bit from VD then Valais, a bit from Jura, Neuch, GE..It's great, the commercials are cute, local food, wine, etc. 5min a day and it will grow on you. Then at work it's easy to say in Swiss dialect "Hey, I saw this ..explain..why", people like to share. Otherwise it is not easy to relate to a foreigner who still consumes entertainment and media exclusively from abroad, tbh. And I don't say this as a Czech, people don't know where it is to really relate, anyway.

Otherwise people are quite talkative..are tired of being cooped in, seeing nobody.
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Generally the Swiss-German you hear in the cities like Basel and Zurich that the non-Swiss complain about is Swiss-German-Lite. Watch the SRF ski coverage on a weekend or a local weather forecast and you'll experience what full-on Swiss-German is.
It also depends on the context - listening to local radio, it's noticeable that most presenters read the news in a slightly more formal / less Swiss dialect, then switch in the next sentence to stronger dialect for the weather part!
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"After five years of residence. Foreign nationals applying for a C permit (which grants permanent residence) after they have resided in Switzerland for five years are required to prove that they speak the official language in their canton at level B1 and have written skills at level A1 of CEFR.

After 10 years of residence. Foreign nationals applying for a C permit after 10 years of residence in Switzerland must demonstrate written skills at level A1 and oral skills at level A2 of the CEFR in the official language spoken in their canton.

Naturalisation. Foreign nationals applying for Swiss citizenship after a period of stay of 10 years (regular process) or five years (simplified process for spouses of Swiss nationals) must demonstrate written skills at level A2 and oral skills at level B1 of the CEFR in the official language spoken in their canton."

Strange that it decreases for 10 years compared to 5 years and then increases again for naturalization.
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