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Did I get a B permit (please see photo)? If so,

Hello everyone, Happy New Year!

I am a non-EU working at Basel-Stadt since last November (i.e. 2 months only). I attached my photo of part of my Residence Permit card and I would like to ask if I got a B Permit?

If this is a B permit, then my next question is do I need proof of German skills when I renew my Permit this November?
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Hello everyone, Happy New Year!

I am a non-EU working at Basel-Stadt since last November (i.e. 2 months only). I attached my photo of part of my Residence Permit card and I would like to ask if I got a B Permit?

If this is a B permit, then my next question is do I need proof of German skills when I renew my Permit this November?
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It says B, doesn´t it?

https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...ts-2020-a.html

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Re: Did I get a B permit (please see photo)? If so,

Because I do not know German, just to make sure.

I looked into the link from you, and my understanding is that I WILL need to submit proof of German language this November when I renew my B Permit, right?
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Because I do not know German, just to make sure.

I looked into the link from you, and my understanding is that I WILL need to submit proof of German language this November when I renew my B Permit, right?
Yep, looks like it.

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Re: Did I get a B permit (please see photo)? If so,

Do you guys know which level of German I will need to get my Permit renewed?

I am worried if I can achieve this level.....
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Old 04.01.2020, 14:54
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Re: Did I get a B permit (please see photo)? If so,

You won't know until you try. If you start learning German today, you might be too good at it for the B next time.

Roegner sent you a link to a thread which has a link to the information. You want me to copy/paste it for you?!

I you insist on wasting your time worrying, worry in German. That's a good start.
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Do you guys know which level of German I will need to get my Permit renewed?

I am worried if I can achieve this level.....
Independent B permit holders (i.e. those who got them to work in Switzerland, not for family reunification) are not subject to language requirements. And if you were, you would have known it already. They would make you sign a paper that you'll bring an A1 certificate by renewal time before you received your B permit.
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You won't know until you try. If you start learning German today, you might be too good at it for the B next time.

Roegner sent you a link to a thread which has a link to the information. You want me to copy/paste it for you?!

I you insist on wasting your time worrying, worry in German. That's a good start.
Thank you for the reply, Curley.

I was asking which level. The link that you mentioned from Roegner is Fragomen website, is this true? I have already looked into it and there is no information about which level is required for primary B-permit holder.

You managed to find the information?
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Independent B permit holders (i.e. those who got them to work in Switzerland, not for family reunification) are not subject to language requirements. And if you were, you would have known it already. They would make you sign a paper that you'll bring an A1 certificate by renewal time.
Exactly, I have never been told there is a German requirement for me. When I collect in person my residence permit card in the canton office, the personnel also did not tell me about this.

The HR in my company also did not tell me about this.
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Re: Did I get a B permit (please see photo)? If so,

This sets out the names of the language levels.
https://www.aventure-linguistique.ch/en/language-level/

This article sets out the requirements fairly well, for obtaining a permit, renewing a permit, obtaining permanent residence (C permits), including some mention of cantonal differences. It sets out which parts are new from 1st January 2019, and what is new from 1st January 2020.
https://taxinsights.ey.com/archive/a...uirements.aspx


OP, yes, you will need to demonstrate some language skills. Perhaps the required level will be a mere A1 or A2, perhaps B1 or B2.

You have just under a year to achieve that, and I have every confidence that you, specifically, can succeed in that. I say this on the basis of your posts on this thread, in which you show yourself to be diligent and exact (if sometimes a little too afraid), and as determined to find things out (an admirable quality) and to Do The Right Thing, and as willing work hard to get ahead. Go for it! You can do it!
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Thank you for the reply, Curley.

I was asking which level. The link that you mentioned from Roegner is Fragomen website, is this true? I have already looked into it and there is no information about which level is required for primary B-permit holder.

You managed to find the information?
No, I haven't.
I waded through admin.ch - but it's a jungle.

Until you know exactly which level you need, I would definitely start heading for B1.
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No, I haven't.
I waded through admin.ch - but it's a jungle.

Until you know exactly which level you need, I would definitely start heading for B1.
I guess the level for B permit extension will be less than B1, as I remember this is the level required for early C Permit.

Please correct me if I got it wrong.
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This sets out the names of the language levels.
https://www.aventure-linguistique.ch/en/language-level/

This article sets out the requirements fairly well, for obtaining a permit, renewing a permit, obtaining permanent residence (C permits), including some mention of cantonal differences. It sets out which parts are new from 1st January 2019, and what is new from 1st January 2020.
https://taxinsights.ey.com/archive/a...uirements.aspx


OP, yes, you will need to demonstrate some language skills. Perhaps the required level will be a mere A1 or A2, perhaps B1 or B2.

You have just under a year to achieve that, and I have every confidence that you, specifically, can succeed in that. I say this on the basis of your posts on this thread, in which you show yourself to be diligent and exact (if sometimes a little too afraid), and as determined to find things out (an admirable quality) and to Do The Right Thing, and as willing work hard to get ahead. Go for it! You can do it!
Many thanks for your kind-hearted repsonse. Indeed, I have read the web page of your second link before and I don't think there contains any information about which level I will need.

Anyhow, I will ask the Cantonal office.
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Re: Did I get a B permit (please see photo)? If so,

Not necessarily apropros of your permit question, but a general Life-In-Switzerland heads-up:

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Exactly, I have never been told there is a German requirement for me. When I collect in person my residence permit card in the canton office, the personnel also did not tell me about this.

The HR in my company also did not tell me about this.
There is a general cultural assumption is that it is up to the individual to ferret out all information that might be important to him or her. Information, even critical make-it-or-break-it info, is often not volunteered.

This is different from some cultures where, especially when speaking to authorities, it is expected that the expert will offer 'By the way, you need to know the following...". Here it is largely expected that you have to ask specific questions rather than expect to be told what you need to know.

Hence why so many of us have made 'I didn't know that I didn't know that' mistakes as newbies.

(No such expectation on EF though. We've all BTDT, which is why we often volunteer extraneous and random-seeming info to any and all questions. )


Now back to permits and language requirements...
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This article sets out the requirements fairly well, for obtaining a permit, renewing a permit, obtaining permanent residence (C permits), including some mention of cantonal differences. It sets out which parts are new from 1st January 2019, and what is new from 1st January 2020.
https://taxinsights.ey.com/archive/a...uirements.aspx
It is literally the second paragraph of the article you linked that says:
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In essence three permit categories will be impacted by the changes. Firstly, family members of non-EU/EFTA nationals who hold a B or C permit through the family regrouping provision are subject to language requirements. Children under 18 years are not covered under the new provisions. Secondly, B permit holders with permits converting into C permits will have to meet specific language requirements. Thirdly, for applicants for so-called “anticipated C permits”, the language requirements have been tightened.
OP belongs to none of those categories, AFAIR, they got a work permit by themselves and not through family reunification. Ergo, they are not subject to language requirements.

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OP, yes, you will need to demonstrate some language skills. Perhaps the required level will be a mere A1 or A2, perhaps B1 or B2.
Oh if only the article you linked didn't actually say otherwise.
The first time OP will have to bring a language certificate is when they apply for a C permit or if they marry a Swiss resident and switch to a dependent B.

One could only wish people would actually read stuff they're linking to.
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Do you guys know which level of German I will need to get my Permit renewed?

I am worried if I can achieve this level.....

I would be too if you still having difficulties with the letter "B"
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Hello everyone, Happy New Year!

I am a non-EU working at Basel-Stadt since last November (i.e. 2 months only). I attached my photo of part of my Residence Permit card and I would like to ask if I got a B Permit?
Kamiyu,

The following is meant to help you, and is not intended to offend.

I don't speak German but I used Google to translate aufenthaltsbewilligung to English and got back "Residence Permit" I didn't bother to also translate "B".

Try that now yourself, to see how it works. Type in "Translate" at the Google prompt.

Next, as an exercise to test your skill, use Google to search for the following: "Give a man a fish" Take a moment to read and understand the first result that pops up to get the full meaning.

Your question, even allowing for your anxious state of mind, suggests that you don't normally exercise this common skill. That's why some people are groaning at you. I hope this helps.

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my understanding is that I WILL need to submit proof of German language this November when I renew my B Permit, right?
Wrong.

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Kamiyu,

The following is meant to help you, and is not intended to offend.

I don't speak German but I used Google to translate aufenthaltsbewilligung to English and got back "Residence Permit" I didn't bother to also translate "B".

Try that now yourself, to see how it works. Type in "Translate" at the Google prompt.

Next, as an exercise to test your skill, use Google to search for the following: "Give a man a fish" Take a moment to read and understand the first result that pops up to get the full meaning.

Your question, even allowing for your anxious state of mind, suggests that you don't normally exercise this common skill. That's why some people are groaning at you. I hope this helps.

-Dr. M.
I didn't notice the groans until you mentioned them there. That's a bit harsh.

Still, "give a man a fisherman's rod" is the better way. Which you just did here, hope Kamiyu will use those they got here (read links, google translate the German words they need, google the according words, ask the schools which are on the government approved lists, START learning German NOW, no matter what).
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Re: Did I get a B permit (please see photo)? If so,

I think a response from the authority is most authentic. Today I got reply from Basel Canton office and I was told that I do not need German level proof to renew my B Permit this year. The following is the excerpt:

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Dear XXX

Yo do not need an proof of language for the renewal of your B-permit. This is only relevant for a C-permit.

Freundliche Grüsse

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Anyhow, I will study German from now on, just in case.
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