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It sounds like there are soooo many factors to consider, that it's all a bit bewildering. Your first priority is your gymnasium education. And that is not nothing. Get it, complete it, and you will never regret it. Interrupt it, and you might not have the chance, later in life (or at least not with considerable effort) to complete it.

Exception: one way to interrupt your gynmasium might be to do an exchange year in Switzerland, in other words attend school here, and then return to Sweden to finish your gynmasium. But I wouldn't recommend that as your first option.

Much, much better to plan to look for work here. There's another thread, which I'll dig out for you, about how to find work with no qualifications.

In the meantime, here's something about the status of an EU citizen who wants to come to Switzerland to look for work.
https://www.aufenthaltsbewilligung-a...r-stellensuche
From there:
Aufenthalte zur Stellensuche sind für EU/EFTA-Staatsangehörige bis zu einer Dauer von drei Monaten bewilligungsfrei.
Für eine längere Suche wird eine Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligung EG/EFTA mit einer Gültigkeitsdauer von drei Monaten im Kalenderjahr erteilt. Sofern Suchbemühungen nachgewiesen und ferner eine begründete Aussicht auf eine Beschäftigung existiert, kann die Gültigkeitsdauer der Bewilligung auf bis zu ein Jahr verlängert werden.


For EU/EFTA nationals, stays of up to three months to look for a job are not subject to approval.
For a longer search, an EC/EFTA short stay permit with a validity period of three months per calendar year is issued. If search efforts can be proven and there is a reasonable prospect of employment, the validity of the permit can be extended to up to one year.


Basically that means you can come here on holiday for less than 90 days. Then leave Switzerland. Then return, later, for a stay of up to three months to look for work. In that sime, collect loads of evidence of how super-diligent you are at looking for work. And with that evidence, and most especially if you really have, for at least some of the time, succeeded in finding some work, and if you are making progress in learning German, you might be able to have your short-term permit extended.
I study online, so I'm not interrupting anything. I'm able to study online and get my examen with that. So I'll have a finished gymnasium examen. I'm just not sure if it's something that would be ''worth'' in an employers eyes. I can't compete with people who have BA's and MA's in the job market.

And I appreciate the effort, really, really do. I'll be on lookout until you post that thread because right now I'm in tears and really feeling hopeless. This crushes my hopes and dreams, so it feels terrible.

And I just came home yesterday from my 3 month stay in Switzerland, it was really great and wonderful. Hurt awfully much, were a lot of tears and it was really painful to leave the man. That aside, isn't there a cooldown period? 3 months every 6 months. So I can't go back right now, I'd have to wait until June to be able to do that again. Or have I understood it wrongly?
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Old 05.01.2020, 23:13
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This Swiss Authorities Online (ch.ch) webpage "Working in Switzerland as a citizen of an EU/EFTA member state" should assist you:

https://www.ch.ch/en/working-switzerland-eu-efta/

I would expect that you could find a job where you would work primarily in English. Please see post 3 at this link for links to job boards, especially the 5th link:

https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...b-student.html

You could also consider finding a traineeship in Switzerland, as some are available in English, but this could be difficult.

Good luck to you!
Thank you!! and how would I go around looking for traineeships in Schweiz?

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This is a very, very long thread on this forum, with a bumper collection of ideas about how to find work without qualifications. It's worth reading through it, I think. It was started by someone in completely different life-circumstance from yours, but grew to contain lots of varied ideas from many different sides. It's a lot of posts to wade through, so please don't let this distract you from your gymnasium work, okay?

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...fications.html
Thank you for taking your time and finding the thread for me. I'll certainly look through and see if there's any solutions. Thanks for taking your time to help me out!

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Do you like kids? There is always the option of working as an au-pair for a year, though these are normally live in positions. You might find someone looking for child care that would employ you as live-out? Try rockmybaby.ch or search au pair agencies.
I will certainly look through, live-out seems like a good idea for me. Working as an au-pair not so much as I wouldn't get to see my partner I'm willing to move for so much.
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... right now I'm in tears and really feeling hopeless. This crushes my hopes and dreams, so it feels terrible.
Because I know about those tears of separation and the hours of travelling back, and the feeling that the life you want (in Switzerland, with him) is so far away and out of reach, I'm going to try to say this gently and softly: I think that you are probably not taking in all that has been presented to you on this thread.

Although now, while you're in tears and feeling hopeless, it all looks too terrible, and like your hopes and dreams are being crushed... in fact, there are possibilities.

Just think about it for a moment: lots and lots of people, the world over, and also in Switzelrand, do work without much of a qualification. The jobs they do are lousy, but it is a possibility.

Some points to research are:
  1. Is there a cooldown period for an EU tourist and, if so, is it really 3 months, and does that apply only to being on holiday in Switzerland, or could it be reduced if your status were different such that you were coming here to look for work (Kurzaufenthalt zwecks Stellensuche)?
  2. What would it involve to get a job as an aupair and, once you know that, do you think you'd like to try it out?
  3. Does Canton St Gallen have such a thing as a "concubine permit" (not all cantons do) and, if so, what are the financial minimum resources that your partner would have to prove he has, and does he have them?
  4. Is there something you could study in Switzerland, and do you have a budget to prove it, so that you'd get a study-permit?
  5. Can you obtain some quick qualifications in Sweden, such as a life-guard's certificate, anything to do with ski/winter sport, basic rescue skills, basic nursing skills, a certificate in child-minding or in caring for elderly people, a certificate in anything to do with working in a restaurant or hotel, get someone to certify your typing speed and general computer skills, anything which would increase your chances of finding work?
  6. Are there jobs in the long "no qualifications" thread posted above, for which you could try to apply?
  7. Does your partner have parents or family or friends who might be able to help you find a job? And is he willing to put in the work of involving his network, asking around, perhaps also after having read that big thread?

My hunch is it would be better to try to do all that research only after you've had a good night's sleep. And maybe someone here already knows the answers so some parts.

To be clear, as an EU citizen, if you DO find a job, then there is no doubt that you WILL be issued with a permit.
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Because I know about those tears of separation and the hours of travelling back, and the feeling that the life you want (in Switzerland, with him) is so far away and out of reach, I'm going to try to say this gently and softly: I think that you are probably not taking in all that has been presented to you on this thread.

Although now, while you're in tears and feeling hopeless, it all looks too terrible, and like your hopes and dreams are being crushed... in fact, there are possibilities.

Just think about it for a moment: lots and lots of people, the world over, and also in Switzelrand, do work without much of a qualification. The jobs they do are lousy, but it is a possibility.

Some points to research are:
  1. Is there a cooldown period for an EU tourist and, if so, is it really 3 months, and does that apply only to being on holiday in Switzerland, or could it be reduced if your status were different such that you were coming here to look for work (Kurzaufenthalt zwecks Stellensuche)?
  2. What would it involve to get a job as an aupair and, once you know that, do you think you'd like to try it out?
  3. Does Canton St Gallen have such a thing as a "concubine permit" (not all cantons do) and, if so, what are the financial minimum resources that your partner would have to prove he has, and does he have them?
  4. Is there something you could study in Switzerland, and do you have a budget to prove it, so that you'd get a study-permit?
  5. Can you obtain some quick qualifications in Sweden, such as a life-guard's certificate, anything to do with ski/winter sport, basic rescue skills, basic nursing skills, a certificate in child-minding or in caring for elderly people, a certificate in anything to do with working in a restaurant or hotel, get someone to certify your typing speed and general computer skills, anything which would increase your chances of finding work?
  6. Are there jobs in the long "no qualifications" thread posted above, for which you could try to apply?
  7. Does your partner have parents or family or friends who might be able to help you find a job? And is he willing to put in the work of involving his network, asking around, perhaps also after having read that big thread?

My hunch is it would be better to try to do all that research only after you've had a good night's sleep. And maybe someone here already knows the answers so some parts.

To be clear, as an EU citizen, if you DO find a job, then there is no doubt that you WILL be issued with a permit.
Thank you... you have your way around with your words. You calmed me down a lot and you're right. I should calm down and look through all of the options presented to me in this thread. Little by little, maybe I'll find a solution. I genuinely mean this Doropfiz!

As for the questions!
1. I can't really find anything on the cooldown period but I believe I read that it's 3 months every half a year.
2. I've looked in to the au-pair thing briefly but I think that living with a family wouldn't really give me a lot of time to be with my partner as I'd settle in with that family actively.
3. I just asked my boyfriend to look into it and St. Gallen doesn't have a concubine permit. Therefore it doesn't matter if he has the money or not.
4. I don't think I'd be able to study in Switzerland since most schools are in German (can't speak it, don't understand it!) and it costs a lot of money.
5. I'm gonna look in to those qualification things and see if I can find something about it!
6. I'm going to look in to that thread and see if I can find something!
7. His father's wife migrated from Germany to Switzerland and she doesn't speak swiss-german. She managed to find work as a cleaner and maybe I could ask him to check in with her and see if she could get me something. Perhaps, maybe I'll resort to that.

And yeah, you've given me some hope. Thank you, a lot.
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Re: Which permit should I apply for?

Good morning Beingwithyou, I hope you are feeling a bit better this morning?

Can I ask a question? Is there any reason, as he has not started his higher education yet, that your boyfriend can not do some of the moving around?

I write this, not to sound mean, but as advice I would like to give 18 year old me 20 years later. Older, wiser, with more experience of the male of the species.

You are obviously in love and willing to put your life on hold for him for a year, is he willing to do the same for you?

- He could do 3 months in Sweden and then you could do 3 months in Switzerland.
- You could both get jobs in an English speaking country for a year (UK, Ireland, Malta).
- You could both get summer jobs in a holiday resort somewhere.
- You could both look into continuing your education in the same place (English speaking).

If he is not willing to make these kind of changes to be with you then please don't turn your life upside down alone, even though at the moment it seems the most important thing, I promise you in the future you will feel differently. You are so young. Focus on getting a good education and learning German, then in a few years, if you are still together you can move to Switzerland and find a good job (he should also be willing to learn Swedish so the move could go the other way).

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If he is not willing to make these kind of changes to be with you then please don't turn your life upside down alone, even though at the moment it seems the most important thing, I promise you in the future you will feel differently. You are so young. Focus on getting a good education and learning German, then in a few years, if you are still together you can move to Switzerland and find a good job (he should also be willing to learn Swedish so the move could go the other way).
This, this, a thousand times this.

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