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Which permit should I apply for?

Hello. I'm an 18 year old Swedish girl wanting to move over to Switzerland to live with my boyfriend (LDR). As I understand I need to apply as a foreign national with no gainful employment as I'm not coming over to work and don't really have an education as of now.

I'm a bit confused as to which permit I should apply for, I'm going to stay for approx 1 year as he will start studies and wont be able to provide for me.

To apply for an L or B permit? I've googled for hours, checked here and there and figured I'd ask. My boyfriend is willing to sign that he can provide for me so there shouldn't be any dependence on welfare and the insurance isn't a problem.

Should I apply for an L or B permit? Would I be able to work with any of these? Do I need to find a job the 3 coming months? Anyone willing to explain some of this stuff to me and guide me? Thank you in advance!
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Old 05.01.2020, 21:57
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Re: Which permit should I apply for?

I can't answer most of your questions, but as an EU national you are allowed to work. You find a job, they give you a B permit (maybe an L). If you don't find work but are supported... I don't know.
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Re: Which permit should I apply for?

First of all, welcome to the forum and well done for wanting to get things sorted out properly.

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That's a contradiction. I recommend that you don't even try any mix-up like that with the authorities, because it won't work. To be able to sign that he can provide for you, your boyfriend will also have to actually show that he has the money to do so.

I think it would be much better if you planned to come here in your own right. You have EU-citizenship, right? If you get a job that is enough to support yourself, then you will automatically get a permit.

The steps are:
  1. Learn as much of the local Swiss language (depending where your boyfriend will be studying) as you can, before you get here.
  2. Work out the budget you'll need to live on.
  3. Look for work, and tell your potential employers that you are EU and will be able to get a permit.
  4. Find work.
  5. Get a contract.
  6. Take that contract to the municipality and they will register you and issue you with a permit.

Therefore: gather up your documents to show your education and any working experience you've had, and come here on holiday. That's allowed, for up to 90 days.

While you are here, try to find yourself a job, such as waitressing, or working in a bar, or being a shop-assistant or cleaning in a restaurant kitchen, or in McDonalds. Those are not well-paid, but you'd be able to cover your expenses, as long as you are very careful.

If you don't get a job within 90 days, you'll have to leave Switzerland. That's okay, because after a certain period (sorry, I don't know how long it is) you can come here on another 90-day holiday.

https://www.ch.ch/en/working-switzerland-eu-efta/

https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/s...vices/faq.html
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Hello. I'm an 18 year old Swedish girl wanting to move over to Switzerland to live with my boyfriend (LDR). As I understand I need to apply as a foreign national with no gainful employment as I'm not coming over to work and don't really have an education as of now.

I'm a bit confused as to which permit I should apply for, I'm going to stay for approx 1 year as he will start studies and wont be able to provide for me.

To apply for an L or B permit? I've googled for hours, checked here and there and figured I'd ask. My boyfriend is willing to sign that he can provide for me so there shouldn't be any dependence on welfare and the insurance isn't a problem.

Should I apply for an L or B permit? Would I be able to work with any of these? Do I need to find a job the 3 coming months? Anyone willing to explain some of this stuff to me and guide me? Thank you in advance!
Firstly, you can't apply for a specific permit, the authorities will decide if you can have an L or a B permit.

Which one is it? He can or can't support you? If he is a student, it is very unlikely the authorities will grant you a concubine permit (his dependant) as he would need a decent income to allow this.

Best thing you can do is come for 3 months as a tourist, and after that time ask for a 3 month job seekers permit (you will need to have money to support you during this time) and get looking for work. Or if you speak a Swiss language, you could try coming as a student.
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First of all, welcome to the forum and well done for wanting to get things sorted out properly.

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That's a contradiction. I recommend that you don't even try any mix-up like that with the authorities, because it won't work. To be able to sign that he can provide for you, your boyfriend will also have to actually show that he has the money to do so.

I think it would be much better if you planned to come here in your own right. You have EU-citizenship, right? If you get a job that is enough to support yourself, then you will automatically get a permit.

The steps are:
  1. Learn as much of the local Swiss language (depending where your boyfriend will be studying) as you can, before you get here.
  2. Work out the budget you'll need to live on.
  3. Look for work, and tell your potential employers that you are EU and will be able to get a permit.
  4. Find work.
  5. Get a contract.
  6. Take that contract to the municipality and they will register you and issue you with a permit.

Therefore: gather up your documents to show your education and any working experience you've had, and come here on holiday. That's allowed, for up to 90 days.

While you are here, try to find yourself a job, such as waitressing, or working in a bar, or being a shop-assistant or cleaning in a restaurant kitchen, or in McDonalds. Those are not well-paid, but you'd be able to cover your expenses, as long as you are very careful.

If you don't get a job within 90 days, you'll have to leave Switzerland. That's okay, because after a certain period (sorry, I don't know how long it is) you can come here on another 90-day holiday.
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That's a contradiction. I recommend that you don't even try any mix-up like that with the authorities, because it won't work. To be able to sign that he can provide for you, your boyfriend will also have to actually show that he has the money to do so.
Yes, of course. But I plan to leave when he is no longer able to support me therefore the short duration of 1 year. All I'm asking is how it would work with applying for a permit while I am there for a year.
Would I be able to? How do I do it? How would he prove that he can provide for me? (has a stable income, is working for that 1 year I'm going to be here).

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Firstly, you can't apply for a specific permit, the authorities will decide if you can have an L or a B permit.

Which one is it? He can or can't support you? If he is a student, it is very unlikely the authorities will grant you a concubine permit (his dependant) as he would need a decent income to allow this.

Best thing you can do is come for 3 months as a tourist, and after that time ask for a 3 month job seekers permit (you will need to have money to support you during this time) and get looking for work. Or if you speak a Swiss language, you could try coming as a student.
Concubine permit

Probably a mistake from my side but what I meant is that he will be able to provide for me for the 1 year I am going to stay here. After that 1 year he will start his studies and will not be able to provide for me anymore. Does that make sense? I don't know what a decent income is but around 4500 per month.

So how should I go around this? Do I just go to the migration canton office and apply for a residence permit with proof that he can support me and then get a L/B permit + a health insurance? I don't really understand this part and would like some clarification.

PS. I did not know you can't apply for a specific permit! Therefore the confusion.

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Yes, of course. But I plan to leave when he is no longer able to support me therefore the short duration of 1 year. All I'm asking is how it would work with applying for a permit while I am there for a year.
Would I be able to? How do I do it? How would he prove that he can provide for me? (has a stable income, is working for that 1 year I'm going to be here).
He would have to show that he has sufficient funds to support you (i.e. a work contract or significant savings) and usually he would have to do this for 5 years. If you are very young I can't see them approving it, as you normally have to also show that you are in a serious long term relationship which will lead to marriage.

However, he is Swiss, why doesn't he call up his local gemeinde/commune and chat to them and get the answer directly.
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Re: Which permit should I apply for?

Some cantons allow for a "concubine permit", others do not. In which canton does your partner live?
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He would have to show that he has sufficient funds to support you (i.e. a work contract or significant savings) and usually he would have to do this for 5 years. If you are very young I can't see them approving it, as you normally have to also show that you are in a serious long term relationship which will lead to marriage.

However, he is Swiss, why doesn't he call up his local gemeinde/commune and chat to them and get the answer directly.
Ohh, that's really unfortunate news. But if I'm staying for 1 year, isn't it sufficient enough for him to show that he can provide for a year? Why any longer than that?

He said he would but I also like doing my own research, seeing this forum I just guessed that a lot of people jump to help which is really nice. Thank you for your time!
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St. Gallen.
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I don't know what a decent income is but around 4500 per month.
To give you an idea of how far Fr. 4'500 per month will go, scroll down to "Paare" in this list of standardised example budgets:
http://www.budgetberatung.ch/Budgetbeispiele.19.0.html
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Some cantons allow for a "concubine permit", others do not. In which canton does your partner live?
Jesus, I have no clue how this forum works but he lives in St. Gallen. I have no clue how to remove my previous message so I'm sorry about multi-posting.
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Re: Which permit should I apply for?

Just to be sure I've understood:
  • he lives in St Gallen now,
  • he is Swiss,
  • he is working, and you would like to live with him for a year,
  • during that year he would be willing to support you
  • after that year he will will stop working and become a student, and then no longer be able to support you
  • at that point you will leave Switzerland
  • you don't intend to work while you are here.

Have I understood that right? If so, why do you not intend to work?
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Jesus, I have no clue how this forum works but he lives in St. Gallen. I have no clue how to remove my previous message so I'm sorry about multi-posting.
Don't worry, you're doing fine, and better than a lot of newbies here. So hang in there while we figure it out, bit by bit.
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Re: Which permit should I apply for?

To add to doropfiz's post - have you considered studying here, either during the year he works or while he is studying as well?
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Just to be sure I've understood:
  • he lives in St Gallen now,
  • he is Swiss,
  • he is working, and you would like to live with him for a year,
  • during that year he would be willing to support you
  • after that year he will will stop working and become a student, and then no longer be able to support you
  • at that point you will leave Switzerland
  • you don't intend to work while you are here.

Have I understood that right? If so, why do you not intend to work?
Yep, all of that is right.

I do want to work. But the likelyhood of me finding a job when I'm not able to speak german and have no finished education is close to 0. I don't know if I'd be able to apply for a work permit either, I don't know how all of this would work as I don't have the neccessary skills to find a job. So it's not that I don't intend to, it's more that I can't or won't be able to find a job.
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And it's not because I'm not studying but because I'm 18, in the middle of my gymnasium education and have no degrees. I don't have anything to show except for finishing basic school.
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Re: Which permit should I apply for?

It sounds like there are soooo many factors to consider, that it's all a bit bewildering. Your first priority is your gymnasium education. And that is not nothing. Get it, complete it, and you will never regret it. Interrupt it, and you might not have the chance, later in life (or at least not with considerable effort) to complete it.

Exception: one way to interrupt your gynmasium might be to do an exchange year in Switzerland, in other words attend school here, and then return to Sweden to finish your gynmasium. But I wouldn't recommend that as your first option.

Much, much better to plan to look for work here. There's another thread, which I'll dig out for you, about how to find work with no qualifications.

In the meantime, here's something about the status of an EU citizen who wants to come to Switzerland to look for work.
https://www.aufenthaltsbewilligung-a...r-stellensuche
From there:
Aufenthalte zur Stellensuche sind für EU/EFTA-Staatsangehörige bis zu einer Dauer von drei Monaten bewilligungsfrei.
Für eine längere Suche wird eine Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligung EG/EFTA mit einer Gültigkeitsdauer von drei Monaten im Kalenderjahr erteilt. Sofern Suchbemühungen nachgewiesen und ferner eine begründete Aussicht auf eine Beschäftigung existiert, kann die Gültigkeitsdauer der Bewilligung auf bis zu ein Jahr verlängert werden.


For EU/EFTA nationals, stays of up to three months to look for a job are not subject to approval.
For a longer search, an EC/EFTA short stay permit with a validity period of three months per calendar year is issued. If search efforts can be proven and there is a reasonable prospect of employment, the validity of the permit can be extended to up to one year.


Basically that means you can come here on holiday for less than 90 days. Then leave Switzerland. Then return, later, for a stay of up to three months to look for work. In that sime, collect loads of evidence of how super-diligent you are at looking for work. And with that evidence, and most especially if you really have, for at least some of the time, succeeded in finding some work, and if you are making progress in learning German, you might be able to have your short-term permit extended.
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Re: Which permit should I apply for?

This is a very, very long thread on this forum, with a bumper collection of ideas about how to find work without qualifications. It's worth reading through it, I think. It was started by someone in completely different life-circumstance from yours, but grew to contain lots of varied ideas from many different sides. It's a lot of posts to wade through, so please don't let this distract you from your gymnasium work, okay?

https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...fications.html
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This Swiss Authorities Online (ch.ch) webpage "Working in Switzerland as a citizen of an EU/EFTA member state" should assist you:

https://www.ch.ch/en/working-switzerland-eu-efta/

I would expect that you could find a job where you would work primarily in English. Please see post 3 at this link for links to job boards, especially the 5th link:

https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...b-student.html

You could also consider finding a traineeship in Switzerland, as some are available in English, but this could be difficult.

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Do you like kids? There is always the option of working as an au-pair for a year, though these are normally live in positions. You might find someone looking for child care that would employ you as live-out? Try rockmybaby.ch or search au pair agencies.

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