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Old 08.02.2020, 16:15
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Re: Visa family reunification issue

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There is no border control so how would anyone even know when my wife entered Switzerland?
Something called neighbors.

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Re: Visa family reunification issue

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That’s actually quite reassuring as it solves most of the problems.
We’ll just apply, move and enter on her permit, go and get it and then continue in switzerland.
Will just cost me a flight back and forth.
Still amazed my employer would have missed this step. You didn’t happen to have an eu residence permit? As that is the small detail that is different in her case.
If she is joining you as a family member of an EU national and intends to stay more than 90days, she needs a D-visa. I had a residency permit from UK, and my spouse is a Swiss national (and so are the kids), but I still had to apply for a family reunification visa. I have a non-EU passport, similar to your wife.
In my case it took 12 weeks, because of delays from the Swiss Embassy on the UK side. I had to submit a copy of my passport, and traveled many times in the meantime (I dont know of any situation where they can keep your passport for 12 weeks while processing a visa!). I even made a few trips to Switzerland on my Schengen visa due to work reasons, but I was advised by the Swiss embassy not to stay more 1-2 weeks at a time on my Schengen visa while my D-visa is in process. And yes, my passport was stamped each time, so they will know if I overstayed.

I hope this helps. I know how frustrating this can be, and sometimes the whole process feels useless and unfair, but this is the law of the land where I am moving to and planning to call my future home, so I am ok with it. Let me know if I can help with further information.
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Old 08.02.2020, 16:17
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Re: Visa family reunification issue

Apart from renting a place, where you may be asked to show a permit, opening a bank account, getting health insurance (obligatory)....

The landlord could inform the city whom he has let the appartment to.


Plenty of ways to be noted to be in the country
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Old 08.02.2020, 16:18
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Re: Visa family reunification issue

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What are you talking about? There is absolutely no passport control at any swiss airport for intra-shengen flights. Nor is there any when driving in.
My wife lives already in the shengen area for 2 years, sheís never showed a passport at any border crossing.
She will come with me on 1st March and will not have to show anything at any border so as far as the swiss are concerned she never arrived.
Weíll go back to pick up the visa when ready, then with that announce her and my son at the commune upon return and thatíll be it.
Itís the exact reason, as opposed to for non-eu who do not have a residence permit, the visa is useless in our case.
Although it's not very common, it can happen. It's not a case of "absolutely no control". So don't bank on that .

Let's assume you come here as a family and visit the municipality to register. On the paperwork you'll likely have to fill in when you arrived, which if you appear in person is pretty obvious. If she then stays longer than 90 consecutive days after that and the permit isn't yet issued she's caught out as overstaying. That's way more of a pain than getting the visa in the first place.

However - I've seen posts from EF users who came as tourists and requested the D-visa here at the same time as the spouse registered. Then the dependent spouse made a short train trip to Paris or wherever to get the visa once it was issued (which was generally well within the 90 days) and came back "properly" on the D visa. No need for the entire family to fly back and forth.
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There is around here.

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At an airport?
In Geneva they donít even have the boots anymore so there for sure isnít any.
At the road border crossings you will have custom officers who might do random checks but Iíve never seen them register a passport.

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If she is joining you as a family member of an EU national and intends to stay more than 90days, she needs a D-visa. I had a residency permit from UK, and my spouse is a Swiss national (and so are the kids), but I still had to apply for a family reunification visa. I have a non-EU passport, similar to your wife.
In my case it took 12 weeks, because of delays from the Swiss Embassy on the UK side. I had to submit a copy of my passport, and traveled many times in the meantime (I dont know of any situation where they can keep your passport for 12 weeks while processing a visa!). I even made a few trips to Switzerland on my Schengen visa due to work reasons, but I was advised by the Swiss embassy not to stay more 1-2 weeks at a time on my Schengen visa while my D-visa is in process. And yes, my passport was stamped each time, so they will know if I overstayed.

I hope this helps. I know how frustrating this can be, and sometimes the whole process feels useless and unfair, but this is the law of the land where I am moving to and planning to call my future home, so I am ok with it. Let me know if I can help with further information.
Thanks, thatís exactly how weíll tackle the issue, sheíll pick it up and travel back in.
Difference is you were travelling from outside schengen so you were stamped whereas this wonít be the case as weíre already in it when we depart.

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Apart from renting a place, where you may be asked to show a permit, opening a bank account, getting health insurance (obligatory)....

The landlord could inform the city whom he has let the appartment to.


Plenty of ways to be noted to be in the country
I opened a bank account, rented a place and have health insurance without a permit, absolutely no need for that.

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Thanks, thatís exactly how weíll tackle the issue, sheíll pick it up and travel back in.
Difference is you were travelling from outside schengen so you were stamped whereas this wonít be the case as weíre already in it when we depart.
I lived in a EU country within the Schengen area before UK and they stamped my passport each time I entered and left Switzerland; I don't know if laws have changed or maybe its different when you fly vs drive.

If you plan to apply for the D-visa at the Geneva Immigration office, be aware that it has a long backlog and sometimes it takes longer than 12 weeks. One piece of advice: make sure that you communicate regularly with the Belgian Embassy. It would have saved us a few weeks if we did that. Also, after 8 weeks, call the Geneva Immigrations office to get an idea of the current status.
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I lived in a EU country within the Schengen area before UK and they stamped my passport each time I entered and left Switzerland; I don't know if laws have changed or maybe its different when you fly vs drive.

If you plan to apply for the D-visa at the Geneva Immigration office, be aware that it has a long backlog and sometimes it takes longer than 12 weeks. One piece of advice: make sure that you communicate regularly with the Belgian Embassy. It would have saved us a few weeks if we did that. Also, after 8 weeks, call the Geneva Immigrations office to get an idea of the current status.
It will be vaud instead of geneva for us, but I here backlog there is even worse.

Are you serious about stamping your passport?
Iíve taken about a 100 flights in the last 5 years within shengen and never even shown a passport or idcard at any border crossing.
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It will be vaud instead of geneva for us, but I here backlog there is even worse.

Are you serious about stamping your passport?
Iíve taken about a 100 flights in the last 5 years within shengen and never even shown a passport or idcard at any border crossing.
I dont know, perhaps because I have a non-EU passport?

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I dont know, perhaps because I have a non-EU passport?

Good luck with the application!
Doesnít matter as no one checks...besides a very exceptional situation.
You are sure you werenít referring to flying into Shengen on a shengen visa? Thatís the only situation you would get a shengen entry stamp
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Re: Visa family reunification issue

Could someone please kindly tell me if, as a UK citizen with permanent residence here, I would be allowed to bring my Filipina wife on a visit to the UK on a Swiss family reunification visa or would she need a tourist visa?
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Could someone please kindly tell me if, as a UK citizen with permanent residence here, I would be allowed to bring my Filipina wife on a visit to the UK on a Swiss family reunification visa or would she need a tourist visa?
To be clear, in Switzerland a visa is only used for entry into the country. Once here the person registers and is issued with a residence permit.

Is your wife a resident of Switzerland, with a Swiss residence permit? If so, then she does not need a visa to visit the UK.

Source: https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa

A Swiss residence permit falls under the list of Article 10 residence cards.

If she is only visiting you and does not have residence, then she would need a visa for the UK.
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Re: Visa family reunification issue

Perfect, much appreciated...

And if we wished to visit the USA? Could she also enter there with me and get a temp visa on arrival?
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Old 09.02.2020, 16:20
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Perfect, much appreciated...

And if we wished to visit the USA? Could she also enter there with me and get a temp visa on arrival?
No, the Swiss residency permit does nothing for travel to the US. If she needs a entry visa then she needs to apply for it before she travels. And first of all you need to do an ESTA if you haven't already. If they're not approved you won't get in anyway.

https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/
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