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BruFaustini 15.02.2020 18:31

Chicken and egg Work Permit problem
 
I have a cousin who is an Italian citizen and has just arrived to live with me and my family so she can give me some help with my kids while also working part time so she can afford to study German and eventually do a technical course. She has started her job search, but the process so far seems quite complicated even to get a job such as a simple coffee shop job: all places so far claim they donít give a work contract to anybody that doesnít already have a work permit, but to get a permit she needs a work contract! Itís a crazy ďchicken and egg problemĒ that we canít figure out because everybody we consult say that, with her being a EU citizen, it is a very easy procedure to get the permit, all she needs is to have a simple Swiss contract. But if that is the case, why these coffee shops/bars that gave her a positive feedback and said they want to hire her wonít just give her the contract? What is the downside for them? They keep asking for her to try to ďsomehow get a work permit before they hire herĒ, but how??? Is there something that we are missing?

Guest 15.02.2020 18:39

Re: Chicken and egg Work Permit problem
 
Unless she has a financial sponsor a parttime job at a coffee bar will very likely not generate enough income to get a permit. Which is why a lot of those places will only give those jobs to people who already have a permit.

Where people say: A contract will get you very simply a permit.

They actually mean: A contract with enough income will very simply get you a permit.

Island Monkey 15.02.2020 18:52

Re: Chicken and egg Work Permit problem
 
Quote:

Unless she has a financial sponsor a parttime job at a coffee bar will very likely not generate enough income to get a permit. Which is why a lot of those places will only give those jobs to people who already have a permit.

Where people say: A contract will get you very simply a permit.

They actually mean: A contract with enough income will very simply get you a permit.
Exactly. How many hours a month are these jobs? Generally you need at least a 50% contract to get a work permit.

roegner 15.02.2020 20:13

Re: Chicken and egg Work Permit problem
 
Hire her as a nanny and pay her?

BruFaustini 15.02.2020 20:34

Re: Chicken and egg Work Permit problem
 
The job offers she got were all for 50%, as she intends to work 50%. We will be paying for her basic (residence, food) expenses (so we are her sponsors) but we canít afford to hire her as a nanny (as she wonít be our nanny, she will just give a little help eventually). Does anybody know, from the business owner perspective, what is the downside for the business to hire a EU citizen thatís doesnít have a permit yet?

Medea Fleecestealer 15.02.2020 20:46

Re: Chicken and egg Work Permit problem
 
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Originally Posted by BruFaustini (Post 3148592)
The job offers she got were all for 50%, as she intends to work 50%. We will be paying for her basic (residence, food) expenses (so we are her sponsors) but we canít afford to hire her as a nanny (as she wonít be our nanny, she will just give a little help eventually). Does anybody know, from the business owner perspective, what is the downside for the business to hire a EU citizen thatís doesnít have a permit yet?

The emphasis from the Swiss government is to hire people who already live here, i.e. have a permit. Whether they check with employers when new permits are issued I don't know.

Axa 17.02.2020 10:49

Re: Chicken and egg Work Permit problem
 
It may not be the right time. I had a flatmate that worked on bar during the summers when the terrace was full of thirsty clients. She was asked to work extra hours in summer, had no job for her the rest of the year. Bar owners may get more flexible in 2-3 months.

Also, jobs in cities are more demanded. There are lots of hospitality jobs in the mountains which are less demanded. Big employers like hotels and resorts do get the permit for foreigners. I remember being in Valais (Bains d'Ovronnaz) and listening to strong French urban accent from lots of young employees, go to ski to Engelberg and my German colleagues identifying all the regional German accents.

Lapithos 17.02.2020 10:59

Re: Chicken and egg Work Permit problem
 
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Originally Posted by roegner (Post 3148587)
Hire her as a nanny and pay her?

Ive actually done that and worked like a charm. Very simple process. I think its the safest way to go.


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