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Old 29.02.2020, 19:20
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Continued residency after death [of spouse]

My husband and I were talking about flu and coronavirus and one thing led to another and I said Id have to pack up our stuff and move back to the U.S. because Id lose my permit. He thinks this is ridiculous. But Im self-employed and we dont have kids, so I dont see why Switzerland would want me around. (We recently had a death in the family, so it's on our mind, I guess.)

It got me thinking, though. What happens to a non-EU spouse if the Swiss partner dies? I found a lot of info on divorce but nothing on death.
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Old 29.02.2020, 19:26
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Re: Continued residency after death

Depends on your individual circumstances.

https://www.ch.ch/en/right-to-reside...th-or-divorce/
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Old 29.02.2020, 19:28
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Re: Continued residency after death

Become Swiss and avoid any potential problems!

How long have you been married, and what permit do you have?

My wife's future death was not on my mind when I applied for Swiss citizenship, but six years after I received it she did die, so I avoided many potential problems.

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Old 29.02.2020, 20:07
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Re: Continued residency after death

Oh geez. How did I miss that?

And now I have to tell my husband that he was right.

Sorry about your first wife, Tom. That must have been difficult. I'll definitely be applying for citizenship when I qualify.
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Re: Continued residency after death

The title of your post gave me the impression that you were asking if one lost residency when one died.

I wouldn't think one would care either way, really...
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The title of your post gave me the impression that you were asking if one lost residency when one died.
Exactly. And OP's username seemed to fit with that idea, too.
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Old 29.02.2020, 23:06
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The title of your post gave me the impression that you were asking if one lost residency when one died.

I wouldn't think one would care either way, really...
Same here. I was gonna tell OP that for the 25 years a grave is kept here, the occupant doesn't need a permit.


edit: Shouldn't any trailing spouse think about this possible situation - Corona virus or not? In a situation of the partner's death there will be so much turmoil that things that can be considered when not acute should be considered. Imo.

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Oh geez. How did I miss that?

And now I have to tell my husband that he was right.

Sorry about your first wife, Tom. That must have been difficult. I'll definitely be applying for citizenship when I qualify.
Well, as it says in the link if you have a C permit you will be abe to stay as well. But getting Swiss citizenship is the most sure way to make sure you don't have to leave. The Swiss have recently changed some rules about getting and keeping permits and there's no guarantee they won't change them again in the future so citizenship is the best way to go.

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It got me thinking, though. What happens to a non-EU spouse if the Swiss partner dies? I found a lot of info on divorce but nothing on death.
A colleague of mine from South Africa died a few years ago. Strictly, his widow and child had 3 months to leave the country. Out of compassion, the authorities extended it to a year.

However, if you can demonstrate you're integrated, then you may well be granted a permit on your own merits.
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Re: Continued residency after death

I guess the question is does the surviving spouse want to stay here ?

I assisted a family where the husband passed away suddenly leaving his wife and young child. All were UK nationals.

Financially the surviving spouse was financially better off leaving. (late husband's pension was a factor). There was no other family here.

It is somewhat ironic that in a case where a permit may not be extended, one can still be on the hook for rent, for example. How does this make any sense?
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Well, as it says in the link if you have a C permit you will be abe to stay as well. But getting Swiss citizenship is the most sure way to make sure you don't have to leave. The Swiss have recently changed some rules about getting and keeping permits and there's no guarantee they won't change them again in the future so citizenship is the best way to go.

If you already have a C permit then you could look at applying for citizenship via the VINTA early application route.
Thank you. Could you let me know more about the early application route?
I have a C Permit and have stayed in Switzerland for almost 09 years across two stints.
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Thank you. Could you let me know more about the early application route?
I have a C Permit and have stayed in Switzerland for almost 09 years across two stints.
My mistake, it's for C permits not citizenship.
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Old 01.03.2020, 14:11
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Same here. I was gonna tell OP that for the 25 years a grave is kept here, the occupant doesn't need a permit.
My wife's great grandmother died in 1923 (non-Swiss), and her grave is still here, so NOT limited to 25 years!

Meanwhile Hermann Hesse died in 1962 (though he was Swiss at the time), and his grave is still there, spitting distance from my in-laws (three graves over, on the other side of the path).

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My wife's great grandmother died in 1923 (non-Swiss), and her grave is still here, so NOT limited to 25 years!

Meanwhile Hermann Hesse died in 1962 (though he was Swiss at the time), and his grave is still there, spitting distance from my in-laws (three graves over, on the other side of the path).

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Interesting. We were told 25 years. We also paid for taking care of the grave for that long, as none of us live in that area. Well, maybe there will be a new bill in about 10 years. Might have to do with the area/size of population? I know they have space-problems in some parts.
I don't think it has to do with being Swiss or not. Herman Hesse's grave shall be there for ever, I suppose.
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Same here. I was gonna tell OP that for the 25 years a grave is kept here, the occupant doesn't need a permit.
.. after which they exhume the bones and send them to your home country, along with a hefty bill for the exhumation.
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My wife's great grandmother died in 1923 (non-Swiss), and her grave is still here, so NOT limited to 25 years!

Meanwhile Hermann Hesse died in 1962 (though he was Swiss at the time), and his grave is still there, spitting distance from my in-laws (three graves over, on the other side of the path).

Tom
I guess they are less strict in small villages where space isn't such a problem.

I think the graves of famous people are also under some sort of special protection. Or sometimes they get exhumed and moved to a different part of the cemetery, along with other famous people. The Fluntern cemetery in Zrich has that for example, where you can see James Joyce's grave, which apparently is no longer in its original location.
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Re: Continued residency after death [of spouse]

Depends on the canton/commune.

Wife paid CHF 2k for another 20 years lease for the parents last year in Gentilino (next to Hesse).

Never seen a bill for her great grandmother's vault in Castagnola, but it's still there (I know where it is, and have seen it recently).

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.. after which they exhume the bones and send them to your home country, along with a hefty bill for the exhumation.
I don't think they do that unless you ask for it.
And why would you bring someone's bones back to the home-country if you haven't brought the body back to be buried?

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Depends on the canton/commune.

Wife paid CHF 2k for another 20 years lease for the parents last year in Gentilino (next to Hesse).

Never seen a bill for her great grandmother's vault in Castagnola, but it's still there (I know where it is, and have seen it recently).

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The bill we payed was not for the grave per se but for keeping it groomed and pretty.
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