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Is patience the only answer in my situation?

Hi folks,

Thank you in advance for taking the time to read and potentially responding.

I am a Canadian and my fiancÚ is Suisse.

I came to Swiss with the intention of getting married and submitted all my paperwork July 2019. I had a good job in Canada in the banking industry and was seeking for some international experience and over all change(I love the nature). Arrived in the canton of VD in July 2019 - and asked for the cantons permission to stay as they review my paperwork, they agreed but said that I cannot leave the canton of VD and that it would take up to 6 months. I was fine with this.

One of the documents for submission was to Pakistan to verify my birth certificate(I was only born there but raised and lived in Canada). My fiancÚ decided it was a good time to just check in with the Swiss embassy in Pakistan and asked them in Feb if everything was going fine and if they needed anything as we were fast approaching 6 months and we had not heard back. They respond by saying you are missing a foreign ministry stamp. We arranged for someone to get this stamp and returned it to the embassy within a week.

We followed-up with Pakistan and they are now saying they need another 6 months to verify this birth certificate which now has this stamp.

This would take me to August 2020...I cant work because no permit, I cant travel because I am not allowed and we cannot get married as its dependent on this...

Is there anything I can do in my situation to expedite? If the Swiss folks on this side told me it would only take 6 months...How can Pakistan decided it will take much longer...? without any real communication from the canton here?

I am considering abandoning this process and moving back to Canada...

THanks,
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Old 05.03.2020, 15:41
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Re: Is patience the only answer in my situation?

In all honestly, use this chance and move back to Canada. You've got a superior quality of life, work-life balance and equality available to you in Canada. In Switzerland, you'll always be treated and looked at like you've just stepped off the figurative boat from Karachi, plus the food sucks. This is your chance dude.
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Old 05.03.2020, 16:09
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Hi folks,

Thank you in advance for taking the time to read and potentially responding.

I am a Canadian and my fiancÚ is Suisse.

I came to Swiss with the intention of getting married and submitted all my paperwork July 2019. I had a good job in Canada in the banking industry and was seeking for some international experience and over all change(I love the nature). Arrived in the canton of VD in July 2019 - and asked for the cantons permission to stay as they review my paperwork, they agreed but said that I cannot leave the canton of VD and that it would take up to 6 months. I was fine with this.

One of the documents for submission was to Pakistan to verify my birth certificate(I was only born there but raised and lived in Canada). My fiancÚ decided it was a good time to just check in with the Swiss embassy in Pakistan and asked them in Feb if everything was going fine and if they needed anything as we were fast approaching 6 months and we had not heard back. They respond by saying you are missing a foreign ministry stamp. We arranged for someone to get this stamp and returned it to the embassy within a week.

We followed-up with Pakistan and they are now saying they need another 6 months to verify this birth certificate which now has this stamp.

This would take me to August 2020...I cant work because no permit, I cant travel because I am not allowed and we cannot get married as its dependent on this...

Is there anything I can do in my situation to expedite? If the Swiss folks on this side told me it would only take 6 months...How can Pakistan decided it will take much longer...? without any real communication from the canton here?

I am considering abandoning this process and moving back to Canada...

THanks,
Have you asked Vaud canton for an extension given the info you've had from Pakistan?
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Old 05.03.2020, 16:09
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Re: Is patience the only answer in my situation?

The 6 months to process is dependent on you submitting all the correct paperwork in the first place. It's pretty clear that you have not even got that together yet: You also tried to get 'around the rules' by coming to Switzerland without a spouse visa. And now you are stuck.



https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/u...ageprepch.html


Your problem is with a) the Pakistani system (a bit of research would have discovered that getting a new birth certificate was going to be very difficult) and b) you, for entering Switzerland without the visa already sorted out.



You might be able to get an immigration type lawyer in Pakistan to try to get the birth certificate sooner. Usually it is faster if you go to your original place of birth and request it, than trying to do it remotely.


for example: https://pklegal.org/birth-certificates/
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In all honestly, use this chance and move back to Canada. You've got a superior quality of life, work-life balance and equality available to you in Canada. In Switzerland, you'll always be treated and looked at like you've just stepped off the figurative boat from Karachi, plus the food sucks. This is your chance dude.
I get it man..and you are correct on most aspects, but I dont have any accent and dont stick out like a sore Pakistani thumb

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Have you asked Vaud canton for an extension given the info you've had from Pakistan?
An extension is not something I am too concerned about..I reckon they would allow it once they communicate with their counterparts in the Swiss embassy in Pakistan.

My concern is inability to travel/work

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The 6 months to process is dependent on you submitting all the correct paperwork in the first place. It's pretty clear that you have not even got that together yet: You also tried to get 'around the rules' by coming to Switzerland without a spouse visa. And now you are stuck.



https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/u...ageprepch.html


Your problem is with a) the Pakistani system (a bit of research would have discovered that getting a new birth certificate was going to be very difficult) and b) you, for entering Switzerland without the visa already sorted out.



You might be able to get an immigration type lawyer in Pakistan to try to get the birth certificate sooner. Usually it is faster if you go to your original place of birth and request it, than trying to do it remotely.


for example: https://pklegal.org/birth-certificates/
We asked the canton prior to me coming and this was an alternative presented. It is not going around the rules if an alternative such as this exists.

I actually already have a birth certificate which I submitted in July 2019 along with all my paperwork. They said a foreign ministry stamp was missing. I got the stamp for them and returned it within a week.

What doesn't make sense is the delay tactics. I have only ever lived in Pakistan the first year of my birth. I am a Canadian, through and through. However, I assume a carry "stigma" for the Swiss officials and system.

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Old 05.03.2020, 16:41
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Re: Is patience the only answer in my situation?

Hi,

Well...patience. But you're not alone in this, other people commenting here had the same trouble before and solved it, read here:

https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...rtificate.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...rtificate.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...e-missing.html

As commented in one of those threads, someone at the Canadian embassy should know what to do. Or plan B: getting married in Canada.
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I have only ever lived in Pakistan the first year of my birth. I am a Canadian, through and through. However, I assume a carry "stigma" for the Swiss officials and system.
I'd like to comment on this. From the perspective of the Swiss migration authorities, your cultural base is not the point. What matters for their file is the full and correct documentation from your country of citizenship (Canadian), of residence prior to entering Switzerland (Canada) and your place of birth (Pakistan).

The differentiation made is not between Pakistan and anywhere else, nor between Canada and anywhere else. The relevant categories here are only:
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  • Non-EU.

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What doesn't make sense is the delay tactics.
As far as I can tell from the many tales which resemble yours (and it is may be well worth your while to work your way through the threads to which Axa linked, above), the delay is not a tactic, not in any way. It is simply a matter of overwork in a very busy government department.

One of the ways you can help your application is to ensure that you deliver all the documentation exactly as required, (even if they subsequently ask for the same thing again), translated into a Swiss language (unless you have found that your specific languages/countries are exempt from that), and everything very neat and tidy, with all the reference numbers, and copies of their relevant corresponce to which you are replying. By doing that, you make life easier for the actual person who has to deal with your file.
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Old 05.03.2020, 21:12
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Or plan B: getting married in Canada.
I think the marriage bit would be easier, but the family reunification permit would still require OP's birth certificate.

OP - Do you have any documentation from the authorities that your permit is processing? I'm not understanding why you're not allowed to travel, even to Canada.
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I think the marriage bit would be easier, but the family reunification permit would still require OP's birth certificate.

OP - Do you have any documentation from the authorities that your permit is processing? I'm not understanding why you're not allowed to travel, even to Canada.
I could leave , but not return back to Swiss as I would have gone over my tourist visa limit.
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I could leave , but not return back to Swiss as I would have gone over my tourist visa limit.
If you came as a tourist you MUST NOT overstay your tourist visa. You could be banned from the Schengen area for 5 years if you do so.
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Re: Is patience the only answer in my situation?

Go back to Canada and get married there. Wait it out in Canada. And is it worth all this just to live in CH? Or maybe your GF does not want to live in Canada?
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If you came as a tourist you MUST NOT overstay your tourist visa. You could be banned from the Schengen area for 5 years if you do so.
I informed them upon arrival and they have allowed me to stay.
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I informed them upon arrival and they have allowed me to stay.

Did you get that in writing/an extended visum?
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