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Re: B permit (Non EU) in time of Conorovirus

Wow, I've learnt a lot on this thread that I didn't know before. It seems I was wrong in what I wrote, above. Sorry. I had never heard of this exception to the regular procedure, especially for those from Singapore.
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Wow, I've learnt a lot on this thread that I didn't know before. It seems I was wrong in what I wrote, above. Sorry. I had never heard of this exception to the regular procedure, especially for those from Singapore.
There are a few that have this exception.

"Nationals of the following states do not require a visa to enter Switzerland under any circumstances: Brunei, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand and Singapore.

However, the competent Swiss authority will issue a prior authorisation of a residence permit in the following cases:

a) for a stay of more than 90 days, or
b) a stay involving gainful employment:
lasting more than eight days, or
from the first day of work in the primary or auxiliary construction sectors, the hospitality sector, industrial or private cleaning services, surveillance and security services, itinerant sales and services or erotic services.

This prior authorisation of a residence permit is issued directly to the foreign national, or to a third party (employer), by the cantonal migration authority.

The Swiss diplomatic or consular mission is not involved in this procedure."

https://www.eda.admin.ch/content/dam...witzerland.pdf
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Re: B permit (Non EU) in time of Conorovirus

Do citizens on that list have to wait in their home country, to receive this "prior authorisation"?

Do employers wanting to employ a citizen from that list still have to prove, beforehand, that they couldn't find a Swiss or an EU citizen to to the job?
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Re: B permit (Non EU) in time of Conorovirus

As in, I don't even have the work permit approval yet. They are submitting the work permit application to the cantonal authorities soon. I can't start work without this approval. I know for most other countries there's the work permit and the visa and I don't need the visa to enter but I need the work permit approval from the cantonal and federal offices to start work.

May I know how long did the approval process take for you from the time of submission? Thanks
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Do citizens on that list have to wait in their home country, to receive this "prior authorisation"?

Do employers wanting to employ a citizen from that list still have to prove, beforehand, that they couldn't find a Swiss or an EU citizen to to the job?
I think there's this confusion between right to enter and stay for non employment purposes vs employment purposes.

From what i know about the process and what the employer is doing, they still have to prove no Swiss/EU can do the job by advertising for a month. And unlike EUs, it's illegal for us to work without work permit authorisation first. Once we get the authorisation, there's no need for a separate visa. This implies I can fly to Switzerland to wait for the authorisation but I won't be able to start work. Of course it's counter-intuitive to go there now cos of the virus and I might not even get my work permit approved.
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Of course it's counter-intuitive to go there now cos of the virus and I might not even get my work permit approved.
That’s a good point and you may be right. This is having a devastating effect on the economy and the number of unemployed is rising significantly on a daily basis. Apart from the fact that no visas to Switzerland are being issued at the moment, you may find that the authorities take a very strict approach to delivering work permits to non-EU citizens until the dust has settled and they have unemployment under control. Of course, if you have some amazing unheard of skill, that may not apply, but otherwise I would at least be prepared to be disappointed.
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I think there's this confusion between right to enter and stay for non employment purposes vs employment purposes.

From what i know about the process and what the employer is doing, they still have to prove no Swiss/EU can do the job by advertising for a month. And unlike EUs, it's illegal for us to work without work permit authorisation first. Once we get the authorisation, there's no need for a separate visa. This implies I can fly to Switzerland to wait for the authorisation but I won't be able to start work. Of course it's counter-intuitive to go there now cos of the virus and I might not even get my work permit approved.

once you sign your work contract (not job offer), you're in essence already approved to work. You will be able to start work once your register yourself at the foreigners office with the work contract and your rental agreement. You'll get a piece of paper (attestation) from the foreigners office which will be enough to do everything (work, open bank accounts etc.).
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once you sign your work contract (not job offer), you're in essence already approved to work. You will be able to start work once your register yourself at the foreigners office with the work contract and your rental agreement. You'll get a piece of paper (attestation) from the foreigners office which will be enough to do everything (work, open bank accounts etc.).
Thanks Wakeme, I haven't got my work contract, it's just a conditional offer (conditional on getting work permit). May I know how long was the wait for you between getting the offer and the work contract (i.e. which implies the work permit approval). Many thanks!
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Thanks Wakeme, I haven't got my work contract, it's just a conditional offer (conditional on getting work permit). May I know how long was the wait for you between getting the offer and the work contract (i.e. which implies the work permit approval). Many thanks!
I don't think that you can currently expect past experience to be an indicator of how long you may need to wait. The situation here just isn't currently business as normal. Many people are comparing it to a war-time situation. Switzerland has just approved mobilisation of up to 8000 reservists. Something that has not occurred since WWII. You are going to need patience...
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Re: B permit (Non EU) in time of Conorovirus

Ok it seems that Switzerland will stop issuing visas / work permits for 3 months.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/new...order-control/
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Re: B permit (Non EU) in time of Conorovirus

Ok I found the official source of this info and I'm confused.

"Entrées en provenance d'États tiers aussi uniquement à titre exceptionnel

L'entrée aux frontières extérieures Schengen sera aussi en principe interdite, à quelques exceptions près. La Suisse suit ici la pratique des autres États Schengen. Elle cesse de délivrer des visas Schengen pour une durée fixée pour l'instant à 90 jours. De même, les visas nationaux ne seront plus octroyés qu'à titre exceptionnel, par exemple aux membres de la famille d'un ressortissant suisse qui sont soumis à l'obligation de visa et ont le droit de résider en Suisse ou à des spécialistes du domaine de la santé."

What do they mean by national visas? does this extend to work permits?

If anyone has any sources that migration offices are closed etc, please let me know too. It's hard to follow all these changes while I'm there.

Thanks a lot!
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Re: B permit (Non EU) in time of Conorovirus

Ok updated from the above:

Art. 4bis Octroi de visas
L’octroi de visas Schengen, ainsi que de visas nationaux et d’autorisations
d’établissement de visas à des personnes provenant de pays à risque selon l’annexe 1 de la présente ordonnance est suspendu jusqu’au 15 juin 2020. Font exception les demandes présentées par des personnes se trouvant en situation d’absolue nécessité ou qui sont d’une grande importance en tant que spécialiste dans le domaine de la santé.


So, d’autorisations d’établissement de visas would include work permit approvals right? (the risk countries includes all countries outside EU).
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I think you're confusing yourself, but the translations probably don't help in the sense it's using the word "visa" for both visas and permits.

Schengen visas will actually be visas for non-EU national tourists. National visas are actually permits to live/work here.

You're confusing yourself by thinking there are separate residence and work permits which isn't the case. If you're an EU national and have a residence permit here then that also allows you to work if you find a job. If you're non-EU then you only get a permit via a job offer that's been approved so again residence and work are all in one.

Switzerland have stopped issuing Schengen tourist visas and Swiss permits for 3 months. So they're not even going to be looking at any applications for these for at least that long methinks.
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Re: B permit (Non EU) in time of Conorovirus

Cranewings, while none of us can even guess what will happen as time goes on, if you have other options it might be prudent to think about a Plan B that does not involve Switzerland, at least in the short term.

Nothing is normal now. And we cannot assume that things will return to normal if/when this is over. We are in uncharted territory now.

There likely will be many un- or underemployed after this is over, changing the game wrt hiring third country nationals. Will the economy bounce back quickly? No one can say.

Speak to your potential employer, get their take on the situation.

All the best.
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I think you're confusing yourself, but the translations probably don't help in the sense it's using the word "visa" for both visas and permits.

Schengen visas will actually be visas for non-EU national tourists. National visas are actually permits to live/work here.

You're confusing yourself by thinking there are separate residence and work permits which isn't the case. If you're an EU national and have a residence permit here then that also allows you to work if you find a job. If you're non-EU then you only get a permit via a job offer that's been approved so again residence and work are all in one.

Switzerland have stopped issuing Schengen tourist visas and Swiss permits for 3 months. So they're not even going to be looking at any applications for these for at least that long methinks.



Visas are not the same as permits. Visas is what you need to travel and to ask for entry. Permits are what you need to legally work.


We don't know how that would affect your (or more precisely, your employer) permit application process.
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Sorry, I quoted the wrong person. it should be cranewings comment above yours
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Visas are not the same as permits. Visas is what you need to travel and to ask for entry. Permits are what you need to legally work.


We don't know how that would affect your (or more precisely, your employer) permit application process.
Since he's a Singapore national it won't affect it at all visa-wise since he doesn't need one. But it will affect any permit application because they'll effectively be put on hold I would guess if they're not going to issue any for the next 3 months.
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...This is having a devastating effect on the economy and the number of unemployed is rising significantly on a daily basis. Apart from the fact that no visas to Switzerland are being issued at the moment, you may find that the authorities take a very strict approach to delivering work permits to non-EU citizens until the dust has settled and they have unemployment under control. Of course, if you have some amazing unheard of skill, that may not apply, but otherwise I would at least be prepared to be disappointed.
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Cranewings, while none of us can even guess what will happen as time goes on, if you have other options it might be prudent to think about a Plan B that does not involve Switzerland, at least in the short term.

Nothing is normal now. And we cannot assume that things will return to normal if/when this is over. We are in uncharted territory now.

There likely will be many un- or underemployed after this is over, changing the game wrt hiring third country nationals. Will the economy bounce back quickly? No one can say.
These posts, exactly. Since there's a moratorium, it is very unliley that your appliation for a permit will be looked at, here in Switzerland, before June.

Right now, the numbers of unemployed people here in Switzerland is so many, many times greater than anyone could have anticipated even as recently as when your potential employer began to discuss employing you.

I think this will mean that, after the moratorium, employers hoping to employ a new person from abroad are going to have to work much, much harder to demonstrate that they have tried whatever they could to find a Swiss person, or an EU person, or someone already resident in Switzerland. These circumstances are very likely to reduce your chances of being granted permission to work in Switzerland, at all. Unless, as Snoopy posted above, you have a super niche skill.

Therefore, I think the best thing you can do now is to concentrate on building your life in Singapore and, if you have free time, to persue further education, online if need be, to increase your skill set and/or language skills that might be relevant to that potential job in Switzerland. Good luck, and stay healthly.
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Ok updated from the above:

Art. 4bis Octroi de visas
L’octroi de visas Schengen, ainsi que de visas nationaux et d’autorisations
d’établissement de visas à des personnes provenant de pays à risque selon l’annexe 1 de la présente ordonnance est suspendu jusqu’au 15 juin 2020. Font exception les demandes présentées par des personnes se trouvant en situation d’absolue nécessité ou qui sont d’une grande importance en tant que spécialiste dans le domaine de la santé.


So, d’autorisations d’établissement de visas would include work permit approvals right? (the risk countries includes all countries outside EU).
Linking to an English translation of the Covid 19 ordinance 2 for everyone's benefit. I am afraid you will have to wait until at least 15 June 2020 before you can come to Switzerland, and I am highlighting in bold the reasons why.

Art. 3
Border crossing and controls

The competent border control authority shall refuse to allow persons coming from a high-risk country or from a high-risk area to enter Switzerland, unless they meet at least one of the following requirements:
a. they are Swiss citizens;
b. they have a travel document; and
1. a residence document, in particular a Swiss residence permit, a crossborder commuter permit, a visa issued by Switzerland for the purpose of attending “professional consultations” as a health sec-tor specialist or for making an “official visit” of vital importance,
2. the assurance of a residence permit
c. they have rights under the Agreement on the Free Movement of Persons, have a work-related reason for entering Switzerland and can provide an official certificate confirming this;
d. they are transporting goods for commercial purposes and can provide a bill of lading for the goods;
e. they are simply travelling in transit through Switzerland with the intention of going directly to another country that they are permitted to enter;
f. they are in an emergency situation;
g. they are a specialist in the healthcare sector and need to enter Switzerland for important professional reasons.
2 The persons concerned must provide credible evidence that they meet at least one of the above-mentioned requirements. The assessment of whether an emergency in terms of paragraph 1 letter f applies is a matter for the border control authority concerned.

3 Decisions taken by the competent authorities may be enforced immediately. Appeals against these decisions do not have suspensive effect. Article 65 of the Foreign Nationals and Integration Act of 16 December 200513 (FNIA) applies mutatis mutandis.

4 The criminal provisions of Article 115 FNIA apply mutatis mutandis. In the event of any violation of the provision on entry, a ban on entry may also be imposed.

5 The entry of foreign nationals via Schengen internal and external borders at airports may likewise be refused, unless at least one of the requirements in paragraph 1 is met. The FDJP in consultation with the FDHA and the FDFA shall decide on the high-risk countries or areas to which this measure applies. Paragraphs 2 and 4 apply mutatis mutandis in such a case.

Art. 4a
Granting of visas

The granting of Schengen visas and of national visas and the authorisation to issue visas to person from high-risk countries or areas in accordance with Annex 1 shall be suspended. Exempted from the foregoing are applications from persons in emergency situations or who are specialists in the healthcare sector and need to enter Switzerland for important professional reasons.
Article 4a applies until 15 June 2020

List of high-risk countries and areas
Germany (incl. civil aviation)
France (incl. civil aviation)
Italy (incl. civil aviation)
Austria (incl. civil aviation)
Spain (from 19 March 2020, 00:00, civil aviation)
All states outside the EU/EFTA (from 19 March 2020, 00:00)

https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...818.101.24.pdf
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Don't worry! The best way to apply a work permit in Switzerland is through a lawyer. And I never feel any discrimination here (except a few eyebrows from organizing Chinese New Year gathering) since the coronavirus situation started.
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