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Old 03.04.2020, 13:36
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Re: Family reunion visa from outside of the country??

Where are you currently living ? In this case, what matters most is your husband's contract, work permit and entry visa, and as GERMAN citizen.



You need to emphasise in all correspondence that your husband is GERMAN. EU rules are very different to Non-EU rules.


If you are currently living in Germany, then your permit needs to be done from there. If you are currently living in Australia then it can be done from Australia, but you need to tell them every time that your husband is GERMAN citizen.



Do your kids have German passports too ? Then these need to be provided as well as Australian ones probably...



Before the COVID lockdown, you could have come in on your husband's citizenship and sorted it on arrival. But now that there is a lockdown, you need to stay put and try to get all the paperwork done from wherever you are... as they are not allowing non-citizens (even if you are married to a Swiss citizen, if you don't have your own permit already, you need one to enter.. )



First step - employer must lodge the application for work permission - preferably with all the details of the wife and children attached. Some employers don't do this - and it creates a delay... you should aim to enter together if possible.



So, back to the original question - are you currently in Germany or Austraila or ??? and are you living with your husband or not ?
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Why would there need to be one?
Ignoring potential delays due to covid-19, if OP submits the visa D applicaton now it should be ready by Juli, shouldn't it? The application form says "procedure time is usually 3-4 months".
Under normal circumstances, yes, however the Australian embassy is not taking any visa applications until June. So that causes some issues for us.

And even under normal circumstances, we cannot apply for a Visa D until we have an apartment in Bern. How is this possible so far out and from another country? The only solution I would see is that my husband goes first.

What have other people done in these circumstances????
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Where are you currently living ? In this case, what matters most is your husband's contract, work permit and entry visa, and as GERMAN citizen.



You need to emphasise in all correspondence that your husband is GERMAN. EU rules are very different to Non-EU rules.


If you are currently living in Germany, then your permit needs to be done from there. If you are currently living in Australia then it can be done from Australia, but you need to tell them every time that your husband is GERMAN citizen.



Do your kids have German passports too ? Then these need to be provided as well as Australian ones probably...



Before the COVID lockdown, you could have come in on your husband's citizenship and sorted it on arrival. But now that there is a lockdown, you need to stay put and try to get all the paperwork done from wherever you are... as they are not allowing non-citizens (even if you are married to a Swiss citizen, if you don't have your own permit already, you need one to enter.. )



First step - employer must lodge the application for work permission - preferably with all the details of the wife and children attached. Some employers don't do this - and it creates a delay... you should aim to enter together if possible.



So, back to the original question - are you currently in Germany or Austraila or ??? and are you living with your husband or not ?
We are currently both in Australia, and now i'm even more confused.

You are right that my husband's employer needs to apply for his residence permit under Covid 19 (we are requesting this).

However, I was also told by the Bern cantonal authority that even under normal circumstances, I need to enter the country under a Visa D that needs to be applied for prior to entering Switzerland. But you have found the situation is different?

Our children currently only have Australian passports.

Thanks for your advice
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Old 03.04.2020, 14:13
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Re: Family reunion visa from outside of the country??

If your husband is German, there is no need to apply for a permit, he would get one as soon as he is here, has an apartment and his job contract, walks over to the townhall and applies for one.


Never heard that an employer applies for permits for EU citizens?


But then right now, no one is allowed to enter the country unless they are Swiss or have a permit (and some few exceptions).
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Re: Family reunion visa from outside of the country??

Roegner it is ONLY because of Covid 19 that his employer needs to apply.

At the moment, my husband doesn't have a residence permit so has no right to enter the country.

I have spoken to both the border and cantonal authorities who advised that, as a EU citizen he needs a Meldebestatigung to enter the country. Because he doesn't have one and they are not issuing them to individuals at the moment, they said that his employer can apply for one on his behalf.

I know, it's strange.

Hopefully this all goes back to normal in June.
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No - I'm Australian, my husband is German. So German/Australian. I'm not sure why my profile says I am British??
It says "English", which it also says for language. Probably you misread when creating your profile
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Under normal circumstances, yes, however the Australian embassy is not taking any visa applications until June. So that causes some issues for us.

And even under normal circumstances, we cannot apply for a Visa D until we have an apartment in Bern. How is this possible so far out and from another country? The only solution I would see is that my husband goes first.

What have other people done in these circumstances????
I know, it is hard and doesnt make sense to stay apart. I am non-EU, my husband is Swiss and we applied for a family reunification permit last year for me to enter Switzerland from UK. It took us a little over 12 weeks to get the visa, but we did have to show, as a requirement that we have a 4 room apartment already rented (we have two kids). We had to pay for an empty apartment for a month which was far from ideal.

We decided to stay back in the UK together until the visa was approved and we left together for Switzerland as a family - my husband and I both had secured jobs but we asked the employer to wait. In the end it worked out, but was financially stressful.

Message me if you need any details about the process and good luck!
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Old 06.04.2020, 08:57
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I know, it is hard and doesnt make sense to stay apart.

It makes sense in that way that Switzerland is trying to contain the virus. As bad as that is in personal cases (I can relate), hopefully this will be over soon (yes, Iīm an optimist) and you can fly in.
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It makes sense in that way that Switzerland is trying to contain the virus. As bad as that is in personal cases (I can relate), hopefully this will be over soon (yes, Iīm an optimist) and you can fly in.
Yes, of course, now the situation is different and I agree.
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Re: Family reunion visa from outside of the country??

Hi,

I just wanted to give everyone an update (for future reference and in case you are interested!).

After conversations with Kanton Bern, the Swiss Embassy and Swiss Border Control, the following is the process for family reunion with an EU national:

A non EU spouse wishing to join their EU spouse for the purposes of family reunion/residence can ONLY enter on a Visa D.

Prior to the visa application:
- the EU spouse must FIRST have a residence permit. As they are EU they do not need a visa. This can be applied for in advance, and in most instances it is the employer that does it. This permit takes approximately 8 weeks to issue.
- you also need a a Swiss residence suitable for the purposes of family reunion, which is normally the family members minus one as the minimum number of bedrooms (obviously Mum/Dad have one bedroom). The Swiss embassy here in Australia advised me that an Airbnb would be suitable for this purpose i.e. short term accommodation while you are looking for a rental property.

Once your spouse has this permit, and you have a place to live, only then will the embassy accept a Visa D application. And you can only apply for it through the embassy nearest to your normal place of residence. From that point onwards, it takes 3-4 months to be granted the Visa.

The Visa then gives you the right to enter Switzerland, and you receive the same residency permit as your spouse.

So from end to end, the processs takes approximately 6 months.
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Re: Family reunion visa from outside of the country??

I think these durations are not so much the usual way, but the people advising you have built in the Corona-delays.

Many people who move here first live in temporary accommodation. This is because it is almost impossible to rent anything permanent from outside of the country, and because even when here, competition is fierce and one must be determined and go to the viewings, and apply, apply, apply. Here's an agency which specialises in such temporary homes, some of which are run as permanent short-term rental businesses, others of which are private homes of people going away for a limited number of months.
https://www.ums.ch/furnished-apartme...7974/7.447447/

That said, if your husband's employer will offer you the assistance of a relocation agent, that'd be good.
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The Swiss embassy here in Australia advised me that an Airbnb would be suitable for this purpose i.e. short term accommodation while you are looking for a rental property.
I'd double check this with Bern canton's migration office since some cantons will accept AirBnB and others don't. Make absolutely sure before you book any such accommodation.
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I'd double check this with Bern canton's migration office since some cantons will accept AirBnB and others don't. Make absolutely sure before you book any such accommodation.
Yes, you're probably right. One wrong step in this process, and we could be delayed for months!
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Re: Family reunion visa from outside of the country??

Employers and their HR departments tend to be accustomed to the hassles around relocation and paperwork. Have you spoken to your husbandís HR? They must have had this situation many times and should be able to advise.
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Re: Family reunion visa from outside of the country??

People I know from the job have used this apartments from this company in Baden (AG). Not exactly cheap but you're not bound by a 1 year contract, only 1 month notice to leave. They have apartments around Switzerland including Bern. https://www.glandon-apartments.com/bern

Here's a recent story about a B permit, EU citizen and AirBnB in Bern. Apparently AirBnB works if the rental is longer than 90 days. But the EF member mentioned the Bern office could not provide a law/rule supporting this. So, who knows? https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...u-citizen.html
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People I know from the job have used this apartments from this company in Baden (AG). Not exactly cheap but you're not bound by a 1 year contract, only 1 month notice to leave. They have apartments around Switzerland including Bern. https://www.glandon-apartments.com/bern

Here's a recent story about a B permit, EU citizen and AirBnB in Bern. Apparently AirBnB works if the rental is longer than 90 days. But the EF member mentioned the Bern office could not provide a law/rule supporting this. So, who knows? https://www.englishforum.ch/permits-...u-citizen.html
Thanks Axa - very useful information. We will contact Kanton Bern to find out what they mean be a suitable residence. But it seems as though it is not clear, and we may get caught out if we end up with the "less tolerant" person assessing our Visa D application.
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Employers and their HR departments tend to be accustomed to the hassles around relocation and paperwork. Have you spoken to your husbandís HR? They must have had this situation many times and should be able to advise.
Hi - yes, they are assisting us as well
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Hi,

I just wanted to give everyone an update (for future reference and in case you are interested!).

After conversations with Kanton Bern, the Swiss Embassy and Swiss Border Control, the following is the process for family reunion with an EU national:

A non EU spouse wishing to join their EU spouse for the purposes of family reunion/residence can ONLY enter on a Visa D.

Prior to the visa application:
- the EU spouse must FIRST have a residence permit. As they are EU they do not need a visa. This can be applied for in advance, and in most instances it is the employer that does it. This permit takes approximately 8 weeks to issue.
- you also need a a Swiss residence suitable for the purposes of family reunion, which is normally the family members minus one as the minimum number of bedrooms (obviously Mum/Dad have one bedroom). The Swiss embassy here in Australia advised me that an Airbnb would be suitable for this purpose i.e. short term accommodation while you are looking for a rental property.

Once your spouse has this permit, and you have a place to live, only then will the embassy accept a Visa D application. And you can only apply for it through the embassy nearest to your normal place of residence. From that point onwards, it takes 3-4 months to be granted the Visa.

The Visa then gives you the right to enter Switzerland, and you receive the same residency permit as your spouse.

So from end to end, the processs takes approximately 6 months.
Wow, that takes a really long time. I am surprised it takes longer for those with EU spouses?

When I was in touch with the Swiss Embassy in London (my husband and I are both Non-EU living in Ireland; I was accepted for a paid PhD position at the University of Neuchatel), they informed me that we could apply together for the entry permit: entry-visa (Type D) for academic work permit for me and dependent visa (Type D) for my husband. They said we both could apply together, even though I still don't have my residence permit.

There was also no mention of apartment/living, only financial proof that my income is sufficient. This is what they gave me: https://www.eda.admin.ch/dam/countri...-permit_EN.pdf

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