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Claiming Swiss unemployment benefit from UK

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I moved in mid March from Swiss to UK, Now my potential employer in UK has deferred my job offer to due to Corona situation. Previously I was working full-time in Swiss for more than a year. I would like to know, Is it possible to the claim the Swiss unemployment benefit from UK until I find a job

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I moved in mid March from Swiss to UK, Now my potential employer in UK has deferred my job offer to due to Corona situation. Previously I was working full-time in Swiss for more than a year. I would like to know, Is it possible to the claim the Swiss unemployment benefit from UK until I find a job

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So you want to perform insurance fraud and want help to do it?

Stay in your Brexitland.
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Old 06.04.2020, 14:55
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Re: Claiming Swiss unemployment benefit from UK

No.



Canīt you apply for benefits in the UK (no idea how that works there). You have worked enough in the last years to maybe apply there?



If you had lost your job here and then went to the UK, you could have taken 3 months unemployment payments to the UK under certain circumstances.
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I moved in mid March from Swiss to UK, Now my potential employer in UK has deferred my job offer to due to Corona situation. Previously I was working full-time in Swiss for more than a year. I would like to know, Is it possible to the claim the Swiss unemployment benefit from UK until I find a job

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Are you English or Swiss? If not Swiss then I assume that your permit was linked to your previous Swiss employer. So, no Swiss job= no permit. Were you fired from your job or did you leave voluntarily? You have moved back to UK so I assume that you no longer have a permanent Swiss residence. In summary the answer is NO
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I moved in mid March from Swiss to UK, Now my potential employer in UK has deferred my job offer to due to Corona situation. Previously I was working full-time in Swiss for more than a year. I would like to know, Is it possible to the claim the Swiss unemployment benefit from UK until I find a job

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Normally, you can claim Swiss unemployment benefit for 3 months if you move to the UK, but crucially, this is only if you're already registered as unemployed while here. Presuming that you've already deregistered from your Gemeinde and given up your permit and place of residence, then I think you'll have a problem doing so now.

Your timing was bad luck. If you'd been paying into unemployment insurance for the period of working here, you'd have been entitled to RAV money (though there would be a penalty period if you resigned voluntarily).
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So you want to perform insurance fraud and want help to do it?

Stay in your Brexitland.
Blimey, that's harsh. This is someone who falls between the cracks, trying to do the best they can by moving from one job to another -- but at just the wrong time (through no fault of their own).

Both CH and UK have announced furlough measures to help permanent workers who lose their jobs during this crisis. It's really not this poster's fault that s/he was in the middle of transition. They'd been paying into an insurance scheme against unemployment for the time they worked here, so it's a reasonable question to ask if they can claim under that insurance.

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Re: Claiming Swiss unemployment benefit from UK

I'm not as convinced as all the other posters.

AfaIk the B permit stays valid during unemployment. You would have to come back here and look for a job actively (in Switzerland and abroad).
The big question is: Did you move back to the UK because you felt like it or because you had lost your job here and had an offer there. That imo would make all the difference.

Plus: Doesn't Switzerland have an unemployment-insurance contract with the EU? Brexit is not in place yet.

The only place you can get a useful answer to your questions is the RAV of the town you used to live in. I know that is where I'd turn to, were I in your shoes.
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I'm not as convinced as all the other posters.

AfaIk the B permit stays valid during unemployment. You would have to come back here and look for a job actively (in Switzerland and abroad).
The big question is: Did you move back to the UK because you felt like it or because you had lost your job here and had an offer there. That imo would make all the difference.

Plus: Doesn't Switzerland have an unemployment-insurance contract with the EU? Brexit is not in place yet.

The only place you can get a useful answer to your questions is the RAV of the town you used to live in. I know that is where I'd turn to, were I in your shoes.

True in most cases, but not if OP has deregistered.
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True in most cases, but not if OP has deregistered.
Let's say OP did not quit his job and leave 'cause s/he wanted to go home but because they lost the job and found one in GB.

Had OP not deregistered when leaving to start the job, it would have been illegal. So it can't be held against them now.

I agree, this is an extremely tricky situation and corona makes it a bitch on top of it all. But an insurance can not simply refuse to pay up.
So I stick to my advice to get info at the right places.
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Re: Claiming Swiss unemployment benefit from UK

To claim unemployment benefits in Switzerland you need a registered address in Switzerland, a work permit and meet the unemployment office people once a week or every 2 weeks.

Every time you meet the unemployment office people, you need to submit written proof that you send your CV or applied to some open positions in CH and they rejected you. Usually, it's a letter from the potential employer telling they had an open position, you applied, you were not fit, etc .

Never cashed unemployment benefits in CH, but a flatmate once said it's like having a job.
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Never cashed unemployment benefits in CH, but a flatmate once said it's like having a job.
Happened to a friend, yes, it was a full time job
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Hi,
I moved in mid March from Swiss to UK, Now my potential employer in UK has deferred my job offer to due to Corona situation. Previously I was working full-time in Swiss for more than a year. I would like to know, Is it possible to the claim the Swiss unemployment benefit from UK until I find a job

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To claim RAV in UK, you must have received a full month's RAV payment in Switzerland prior to move to UK to be able to claim for upto to 3 months.


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If you are able to visit / contact the JobCentre in UK, you may be able to get Jobseekers or some other allowance and they I believe would take into account the fact you worked in Switzerland. - Good luck with that they are not the most helpful and at the moment considerable over stretched helping people who have worked in UK.


There are lots of job vacancies in the UK, might not be your field, drivers, shop workers, free newspaper deliveries, etc



If you had to take a job like that, I feel your future employer would respect you for taking that course of action, whilst no vacancy in your profession.
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Old 06.04.2020, 18:09
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To claim unemployment benefits in Switzerland you need a registered address in Switzerland, a work permit and meet the unemployment office people once a week or every 2 weeks.

Every time you meet the unemployment office people, you need to submit written proof that you send your CV or applied to some open positions in CH and they rejected you. Usually, it's a letter from the potential employer telling they had an open position, you applied, you were not fit, etc .

Never cashed unemployment benefits in CH, but a flatmate once said it's like having a job.
Yeah, well, a rather easy job (hour-wise).

All you say is correct. And yet in corona times most of it is wrong.
In normal times, OP could just come back here - as a tourist - and check everything out with the authorities.

Anyway, OP did not tell us the details that count (cancelled his job to go home or lost it? Ready to come back here to find a new one? Or only asking whether he can make use of unemployment-insurance from abroad). The last one: No.
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Happened to a friend, yes, it was a full time job
Indeed, for example, after 3 months ďworkingĒ (job hunting) for them, you earn 1 weeks holiday...
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Re: Claiming Swiss unemployment benefit from UK

If the OP de-registered in Switzerland, gave up his/her apartment, moved his/ her center of life to the UK, stopped paying Swiss health insurance, etc. in conjunction with the move to the UK, then s/he should likely register as unemployed with the British job service.

To be able to claim British unemployment compensation, the OP will likely need to obtain a PD U-1 document from Switzerland, documenting his/her work and payments into the unemployment fund here. Details are outlined at this link:

https://www.unia.swiss/fileadmin/arb...r_PD-U1_EN.PDF

On the other hand, if the OP did not de-register, maintained his/ her residence in Switzerland, maintained his/her center of life in Switzerland and continued to pay Swiss health insurance, etc., there could possibly be the opportunity to claim Swiss unemployment compensation as a weekly commuter.

Just some thoughts.
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If the OP de-registered in Switzerland, gave up his/her apartment, moved his/ her center of life to the UK, stopped paying Swiss health insurance, etc. in conjunction with the move to the UK, then s/he should likely register as unemployed with the British job service.

To be able to claim British unemployment compensation, the OP will likely need to obtain a PD U-1 document from Switzerland, documenting his/her work and payments into the unemployment fund here. Details are outlined at this link:

https://www.unia.swiss/fileadmin/arb...r_PD-U1_EN.PDF

On the other hand, if the OP did not de-register, maintained his/ her residence in Switzerland, maintained his/her center of life in Switzerland and continued to pay Swiss health insurance, etc., there could possibly be the opportunity to claim Swiss unemployment compensation as a weekly commuter.

Just some thoughts.
Hi, Mullhollander! i am in simular situation, but i have moved from UK to Zurich in Jan2020. I was employed in UK for last 10 years. Can i claim jobseeker allowance here in Zurich?

thank you in advance.
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Hi, Mullhollander! i am in simular situation, but i have moved from UK to Zurich in Jan2020. I was employed in UK for last 10 years. Can i claim jobseeker allowance here in Zurich?

thank you in advance.
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A key question is whether you were employed in Switzerland since arriving in January 2020. If yes, and you can provide a PD-U1 form from the UK evidencing that you were employed there and had paid into the UK unemployment compensation scheme, you should be able to register with the local RAV Swiss job service office and receive unemployment compensation based on both your Swiss and UK employee earnings.

If you did not work in Switzerland and are legally registered here, you can still register with RAV and, depending on the situation, the UK unemployment scheme could pay you through RAV (technically, the unemployment compensation fund "Kasse") or you could benefit from RAV job search information without receiving unemployment compensation.
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Re: Claiming Swiss unemployment benefit from UK

Take care with the validity of your permit according to the below:

Art. 61a Expiry of the right of residence of EU and EFTA citizens

1 The right of residence of citizens of EU and EFTA member states with a short-stay permit shall expire six months after the involuntary termination of their employment. The right of residence of citizens of EU and EFTA member states with a residence permit shall expire six months after the involuntary termination of their employment if employment ends within the first twelve months of their residence.

2 If unemployment benefit continues to be paid on expiry of the six-month period in accordance with paragraph 1, the right of residence expires when the benefit is no longer paid.

https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a61a
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A key question is whether you were employed in Switzerland since arriving in January 2020. If yes, and you can provide a PD-U1 form from the UK evidencing that you were employed there and had paid into the UK unemployment compensation scheme, you should be able to register with the local RAV Swiss job service office and receive unemployment compensation based on both your Swiss and UK employee earnings.

If you did not work in Switzerland and are legally registered here, you can still register with RAV and, depending on the situation, the UK unemployment scheme could pay you through RAV (technically, the unemployment compensation fund "Kasse") or you could benefit from RAV job search information without receiving unemployment compensation.
thank you, Mullholander! very helpful.
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