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Upgrading from L to B permit non-EU/EFTA

My L permit expires end of April, and I am hoping to be upgraded to a B permit when I renew. Is this possible? I had my employer issue a 2-year employment contract this year to make it clear I am a long term employee. My questions are:

1. If this was a non-coronavirus time, would this be possible and how would I go about making this case?

2. Given coronavirus, is this considered a "new" permit application, rather than just a renewal, and therefore suspended?
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Old 07.04.2020, 09:27
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My L permit expires end of April, and I am hoping to be upgraded to a B permit when I renew. Is this possible? I had my employer issue a 2-year employment contract this year to make it clear I am a long term employee. My questions are:

1. If this was a non-coronavirus time, would this be possible and how would I go about making this case?

2. Given coronavirus, is this considered a "new" permit application, rather than just a renewal, and therefore suspended?

Always thought that for a B the work contract needs to be unlimited?


And is this your first L? Then the chances are high you will get another one.
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Work contract doesn't need to be unlimited. I hired a postdoc on a annually renewed contract and he has a B permit.

Apologies, yes, I have had an L permit May 2019-April 2020. This would be my first renewal.

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Work contract doesn't need to be unlimited. I hired a postdoc on a annually renewed contract and he has a B permit.
Yep that’s because postdocs are assimilated to students and so get annual student B permits (not subject to quotas).
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Yep that’s because postdocs are assimilated to students and so get annual student B permits (not subject to quotas).
True. Unfortunately not all postdocs. I am technically a postdoc who can hire postdocs, but I believe since I was >3 years post PhD at time of hire I was ineligible for this type of treatment.
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Re: Upgrading from L to B permit non-EU/EFTA

I started with an L and after the second renewal it was converted to a B. There is no need for an unlimited contract for this to occur. But for non-EU/EFTA nationals such as myself, the B still has to be renewed on a yearly basis.
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I started with an L and after the second renewal it was converted to a B. There is no need for an unlimited contract for this to occur. But for non-EU/EFTA nationals such as myself, the B still has to be renewed on a yearly basis.
Thanks! Second renewal meaning your second permit, or second renewal meaning the third permit you received? So the first two permits were L permits?
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Thanks! Second renewal meaning your second permit, or second renewal meaning the third permit you received? So the first two permits were L permits?
The third permit. The first two are L then the third becomes a B as the L permit is only renewable once. At least that was what I read at the time.
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My L permit expires end of April, and I am hoping to be upgraded to a B permit when I renew. Is this possible? I had my employer issue a 2-year employment contract this year to make it clear I am a long term employee. My questions are:

1. If this was a non-coronavirus time, would this be possible and how would I go about making this case?

2. Given coronavirus, is this considered a "new" permit application, rather than just a renewal, and therefore suspended?
You don't make the case; your employer has to once again prove they still can't find a Swiss/EU national who could do the job. Then, depending on the quota limits, you might get a B - or it might be another L. There's no guarantee.
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You don't make the case; your employer has to once again prove they still can't find a Swiss/EU national who could do the job. Then, depending on the quota limits, you might get a B - or it might be another L. There's no guarantee.
Thanks for this. Should I press my employer to request a B then when I finally get the paperwork they need to sign?
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Thanks for this. Should I press my employer to request a B then when I finally get the paperwork they need to sign?
You won't get a B this time.
The policy of Kt. Zurich is that if you start with an L, you must spend two years on it before applying for a conversion to B. See here.
This has been their policy for at least 7 years now.

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Ist es möglich, eine Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligung (L-Bewilligung) vor Ablauf der 24 Monate in eine Aufenthaltsbewilligung (B-Bewilligung) umzuwandeln?

Nein, dies ist nicht möglich. Bevor die Umwandlung in eine Aufenthaltsbewilligung geprüft werden kann, muss das Kurzaufenthaltskontingent von 24 Monaten ausgeschöpft sein.
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You won't get a B this time.
The policy of Kt. Zurich is that if you start with an L, you must spend two years on it before applying for a conversion to B. See here.
This has been their policy for at least 7 years now.
This is the clearest answer I have ever gotten to this question, including the longest conversations with many people at HR at ETH. Thank you!!!

I'm still bummed though, ha.
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