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Possibilities of living together with Indonesian girlfriend

Hello everyone,

At the moment i have a joboffer to work in Zürich (B- permit) which i am very happy about. My question is that i have an Indonesian girlfriend which at the moment unfortunately is a long distance relationship.

This makes me wonder what the possibilities are for us to live together in Switserland? Is this only by marriage or are their other ways to consider too like a sponsorship or by showing that i have enough income to take care of her? I'm happy to hear all thoughts, experiences and possibilities

Thank you very much in advance,
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Victor
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Old 20.04.2020, 12:59
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Marriage is the easiest of course, but there's also the concubine permit for unmarried hetrosexual couples. For that you'd have to agree to be financially responsible for her for 5 years. If you're an EU national she can probably work here if she wants to, if you're not then she won't be able to work.
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Sadly it is not going to be easy- perhaps you should come on your own and see how you like it first, and then see.

I got married 49 years ago, pre EU- as it was the only way we could live together in London (I am Swiss, he is British) - it was a crazy thing to do, as I was just 19 and he 24 when we made the decision, and we had only known each other for a few months. Still together- but it is a massive commitment.
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Marriage is the easiest of course, but there's also the concubine permit for unmarried hetrosexual couples. For that you'd have to agree to be financially responsible for her for 5 years. If you're an EU national she can probably work here if she wants to, if you're not then she won't be able to work.
Thank you ver much for your reply, I am from The Netherlands so she could work. Being responsible for 5 years sounds like huge thing, in life you never know how things go so it will be quite a risk and commitment

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Sadly it is not going to be easy- perhaps you should come on your own and see how you like it first, and then see.

I got married 49 years ago, pre EU- as it was the only way we could live together in London (I am Swiss, he is British) - it was a crazy thing to do, as I was just 19 and he 24 when we made the decision, and we had only known each other for a few months. Still together- but it is a massive commitment.
Yes that sounds like a huge step to make, i'm happy that it worked out for you. Did you moved back to Switserland directly after marying in London?

Would the same rules apply if my girlfriend would not be Indonesian but Dutch? (or German or whatever?)

Is it always obligated to be married or having a concubine permit for anyone trying to take his girlfriend to Switserland?

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Yes that sounds like a huge step to make, i'm happy that it worked out for you. Did you moved back to Switserland directly after marying in London?
LOL no, 39 years later (both retired now)
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Would the same rules apply if my girlfriend would not be Indonesian but Dutch? (or German or whatever?)

Is it always obligated to be married or having a concubine permit for anyone trying to take his girlfriend to Switserland?
Yes. If they're an EU national then of course they could look for a job themselves and get a permit that way as well. They could be here for up to 3 months as a tourist to look for work and if they don't find it in that period then they could apply for a job seeker permit for another 3 months, providing they can support themselves financially. If, after that 2nd 3 months though they still don't have a job they'd be expected to leave the country or you'd have to apply for the concubine permit.
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Financial responsibility will include Health insurance (sickness and accident).
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Would it been also possible to go back to Switserland directly after your marriage if you both would have favored that?
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I imagine so, as I am Swiss born and bred. We actually got married in Switzerland.
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Yes. If they're an EU national then of course they could look for a job themselves and get a permit that way as well. They could be here for up to 3 months as a tourist to look for work and if they don't find it in that period then they could apply for a job seeker permit for another 3 months, providing they can support themselves financially. If, after that 2nd 3 months though they still don't have a job they'd be expected to leave the country or you'd have to apply for the concubine permit.
Thank you, so that means that being an EU national makes it easier then being Indonesian since she could search for a job in Switserland herself? But i expect this has to be a skilled/demanded job which still doesn't make it totally easy for every EU national? Or could she join me as my girlfriend with any job she can find in Switserland? (without marriage of concubine permit)
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Thank you, so that means that being an EU national makes it easier then being Indonesian since she could search for a job in Switserland herself? But i expect this has to be a skilled/demanded job which still doesn't make it totally easy for every EU national? Or could she join me as my girlfriend with any job she can find in Switserland? (without marriage of concubine permit)
There are differences. An EU national has the right to move here under the Free Movement Agreement Switzerland has with the EU. So they can look for any job and so long as they earn enough to support themselves they'll get a permit. Doesn't matter if they're a manger, line engineer, waiter/tress or shop assistant. If they can find a job that can support them they're fine.

Non-EUs on the other hand need to be sponsored by a Swiss employer who applies for a permit on their behalf. The criteria for that is outlined here

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

if the application is successful then a permit would be granted. As you can see jobs like waiting on tables or being shop assistant simply won't meet the criteria and no employer would waste time and money applying for a permit they know won't be granted.
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There are differences. An EU national has the right to move here under the Free Movement Agreement Switzerland has with the EU. So they can look for any job and so long as they earn enough to support themselves they'll get a permit. Doesn't matter if they're a manger, line engineer, waiter/tress or shop assistant. If they can find a job that can support them they're fine.

Non-EUs on the other hand need to be sponsored by a Swiss employer who applies for a permit on their behalf. The criteria for that is outlined here

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

if the application is successful then a permit would be granted. As you can see jobs like waiting on tables or being shop assistant simply won't meet the criteria and no employer would waste time and money applying for a permit they know won't be granted.
Thank you very much again for the stated information, so theoretically it would all be even easier if she would first live with me in The Netherlands and gain Dutch Nationality since its not obligated to marry here?

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Thank you, would you say a concubine permit is even a bigger risk/commitment then marriage?

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Thank you very much again for the stated information, so theoretically it would all be even easier if she would first live with me in The Netherlands and gain Dutch Nationality since its not obligated to marry here?
Yes, atm, assuming she can get the nationality. Bear in mind the Swiss/EU governments are in the process of negotiating on the various bi-lateral agreements they have and things aren't going that well so could change in the future. There is also a referendum due to take place this year which could place limits on EU immigration so EU nationals could come under similar restrictions to those applying to non-EUs.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/foreign...-deal/45528494
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Yes, atm, assuming she can get the nationality. Bear in mind the Swiss/EU governments are in the process of negotiating on the various bi-lateral agreements they have and things aren't going that well so could change in the future. There is also a referendum due to take place this year which could place limits on EU immigration so EU nationals could come under similar restrictions to those applying to non-EUs.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/foreign...-deal/45528494
Thank you very much, that is good to know!
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Thank you, would you say a concubine permit is even a bigger risk/commitment then marriage?
Yes, definitely.

If you undertake to support your non-married (concubine) partner, you have to sign to be responsible for supporting her for five years, and to cover costs that she incurs or becomes liable to cover, during that period. This includes, for example, beyond paying for her living expenses, also her medical insurance, her dentistry and glasses, and covering any loans she may take out, being responsible for her credit cards, and for any bills she leaves unpaid, including expenses if she starts a one-person business.

If you marry, on the other hand, and things don't work out, you can get divorced and that puts an end (or at least a specified limit) to your financial responsibilities towards her, and towards anyone to whom she owes money.

Before marrying, make sure to find out about the types of systems of marraige: some are designed to let you merge your finances, others to keep them more or less separate from each other, from before the marriage, and during.
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I think that Covid could change things too. The work market will be much, much harder and most countries will doubtless tighten up on immigration because of this.
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Thank you ver much for your reply, I am from The Netherlands so she could work. Being responsible for 5 years sounds like huge thing, in life you never know how things go so it will be quite a risk and commitment
As big a risk and commitment as moving to another country thousands of km from home to live with your boyfriend, when you will be entirely financially dependent on him.
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