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Is RAV different to Sozialhilfe (with relation to applying for a Swiss passport)

hello - I will have the possibility to apply for a Swiss passport in the near future.

I know one point is, you have to pay back any Sozialhilfe you received before being eligible.

But my question is, does RAV count as Sozialhilfe?

(I have not received any RAV yet, but may soon have to claim it due to Corona)
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Re: Is RAV different to Sozialhilfe (with relation to applying for a Swiss passport)

No, RAV is not social assistance, it's a state-organized unemployment insurance
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Re: Is RAV different to Sozialhilfe (with relation to applying for a Swiss passport)

So there would definitely be no expectation to pay it back in order to get the passport?
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Re: Is RAV different to Sozialhilfe (with relation to applying for a Swiss passport)

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Re: Is RAV different to Sozialhilfe (with relation to applying for a Swiss passport)

The regulations will be quite specific Sozialhilfe payments are to be to be paid back. If they do not mention "Arbeitslosenentschädigung" then the RAV money does not have to be paid back which is what one would expect.
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Re: Is RAV different to Sozialhilfe (with relation to applying for a Swiss passport)

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The regulations will be quite specific Sozialhilfe payments are to be to be paid back.
Sometimes.

It depends.

Not the same in all cantons/communes.

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Re: Is RAV different to Sozialhilfe (with relation to applying for a Swiss passport)

Interesting- can you give a list of K/Cantons where Sozialhilfe does not have to be paid back- as in when you get a decent job, you win the lottery, or you inherit money, etc.?

It makes total sense to pay it back.

It is correct that RAV or Chomâge is totally different.

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Old 14.05.2020, 21:55
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Re: Is RAV different to Sozialhilfe (with relation to applying for a Swiss passport)

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It seems that in Ticino they don't ask for it back, I know of several cases.

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Re: Is RAV different to Sozialhilfe (with relation to applying for a Swiss passport)

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It seems that in Ticino they don't ask for it back, I know of several cases.

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That's likely to depend on the circumstances.

The SKOS (Schweizerische Konferenz für Sozialhilfe, Swiss Convention on Social Help) issues guidelines and recommendations on the issue, including how to calculate amounts, when to pay and to whom and for how long, etc.

They say that after multi-year support, demand of payback shouldn't start before the 2nd year of independence from help. The amount should be (not more than) half the difference of what's considered the justified need (calculated according to their recommendations) and actual income.

Payback shouldn't be demanded for more than four years, any amounts not paid back by then should be forfeited entirely.

Now, the recommendations aren't binding, and social help is handled and financed by the Canton and the commune. So actual regulations and handling of a given situation should be expected to differ accordingly.
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Re: Is RAV different to Sozialhilfe (with relation to applying for a Swiss passport)

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Interesting- can you give a list of K/Cantons where Sozialhilfe does not have to be paid back- as in when you get a decent job, you win the lottery, or you inherit money, etc.?

It makes total sense to pay it back.

It is correct that RAV or Chomâge is totally different.
In Zürich I never had to pay it back. And they never mentioned paying it back

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Basically no reimbursement from gainful employment
Ms. K. * is an architect. Due to restructuring, she loses her job. The search for a new job is difficult, so Mrs. K. has to get economic help. A short time later she finds a well-paid job and no longer needs social assistance. According to the Zurich Social Assistance Act, Ms. K. does not have to pay back the social assistance she receives from her wages. They would only have to do this if their wages were so high that a waiver of the reimbursement of the economic aid received would be objectionable. This would be the case, for example, with taxable income of CHF 120,000. It is therefore very rare for Zurich Social Services to claim reimbursement based on earned income

https://wipkinger-zeitung.ch/muss-so...ezahlt-werden/

And in Zürich

To apply for a Passport "
You must not have received social assistance in the past 3 years. However, if you pay back the amount paid to the social welfare office, it is possible to submit a naturalization application."

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Re: Is RAV different to Sozialhilfe (with relation to applying for a Swiss passport)

There are TWO issues here:

1) Paying back social help.
2) Qualifying rules for citizenship/passport.

Most people who have had social help are either already citizens, or not in the process of applying.

As for RAV benefits - which I used in 2009 - it’s insurance for a limited period, paid out of your previous salary, so not repayable. The downside is that they don’t understand the computer etc. contracting market, where very short-term work is often the norm...
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Re: Is RAV different to Sozialhilfe (with relation to applying for a Swiss passport)

It depends very much on which canton you live in.
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It depends very much on which canton you live in.
If you win the Lottery or receive a substantial inheritance - I believe all C/Kantons require re-payment.
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Yes. But if you can't pay it back then some cantons will want you to wait 10 years before applying for a passport. Getting social help is one of the worst stigmas. They are equated with drug fixers,alcholics,etc etc. Looked on as the scum of society by some Swiss.
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Re: Is RAV different to Sozialhilfe (with relation to applying for a Swiss passport)

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No.

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Re: Is RAV different to Sozialhilfe (with relation to applying for a Swiss passport)

Maybe someone could help to clarify RAV Job-Room, there is a web-portal where all the jobs are, and as I understood there are as well certain details in my profile filled in (which were asked at the moment of registration), and there are some employers who are willing to get in touch, so I receive an email from Job-Room that this and this wants to get my CV and so on, am I obliged to respond to them? there are some companies from another part of switzerland which for sure will make commute 10 hours, and relocation is not an option, am I obliged to contact them anyway?
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