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Disjoint 25.05.2020 16:04

Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
Hi all - I was just informed that I do not need to wait for a Visa to work in Switzerland from HR as I am a EU citizen and happen to have a French passport, my wife and kids are British but she only will join me in a couple of months so I don't have to worry just yet about them.

As I will be separated from my family for a bit, I'd like to maximize my time with them. Arriving on Sunday the 14th of June and starting my job on the 15th of June would be ideal. It seems I need to register with the authorities BEFORE I start my new job - for those of you who have registered in Geneva, how long does it usually take to register with the administration? Is it feasible for me to register at 9AM and be at my desk in my new job around 11AM?

The HR function of my new employer is not in Geneva and they are not as aware as to what I need or do not need to start my job, instead of relying on them I figured I'd rely on the communal spirit of a forum! (I was just informed today that I can just go to work without applying ahead of time for a work Visa). Border will be open from the 8th of June so I apparently just need my contract to fly out from Heathrow

Guest 25.05.2020 16:09

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
If you are at city-hall to register at 9:00 and need to work at 11:00 you even have time for a lunch in between.

You go to the Gemeinde and bring along rental contract, passport and labour contract that should be more than enough to have zero problems to register which should only take minutes.

(and bring a card to pay)

Belgianmum 25.05.2020 16:15

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
It’s perfectly feasible.
Just show up at the commune with all the necessary paperwork and it shouldn’t take more than about 10- 15 minutes.
We didn’t have to pay anything upfront, we paid once the permit was ready but these things vary widely from canton to canton.

qwertz 25.05.2020 16:35

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
In Geneva you actually register and send all the documents by post so no need to go anywhere

inksane 25.05.2020 16:39

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
I'm in the same situation (also EU) but I think they are not giving permits until the 15th of June (except a few exceptions) so maybe it could be kind of optimistic to get the permit quickly if many people are also waiting for the 15th.

daaali 25.05.2020 17:16

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
In Geneva, you need to submit the following form https://www.ge.ch/document/ocpm-form...r-etou-travail to:

Office cantonal de la population et des migrations
Service étrangers
Case postale 2652
1211 Genève 2

As soon as you submit the form with the requested attachments (for EU nationals it's just the photo) you can start working.

There is no point in going there physically - they only see people by appointment and only for visas, biometric data collection, passport and legalizations.

Hope this helps - a visit to that office can be cause of much frustration and you want to avoid it if you can. Things there do not get done in 10-15 minutes!

rezak 25.05.2020 20:46

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by inksane (Post 3184586)
I'm in the same situation (also EU) but I think they are not giving permits until the 15th of June (except a few exceptions) so maybe it could be kind of optimistic to get the permit quickly if many people are also waiting for the 15th.

Is there an official announcement that it will be possible to cross the border and to ask for a permit after 15th June? I did not see anything here: https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...weigerung.html

Disjoint 26.05.2020 19:49

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezak (Post 3184703)
Is there an official announcement that it will be possible to cross the border and to ask for a permit after 15th June? I did not see anything here: https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...weigerung.html

Hi Rezak - HR at my new firm (thing large Swiss conglomerate) informed me that border re-opens on the 8th of June. I will ask them tomorrow about the permit (they didn't seem concerned) and will come back on the forum when I have an answer

doropfiz 26.05.2020 20:19

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...weigerung.html
Corona: Questions and answers on entry and stay in Switzerland, the exceptions and suspension of visas
Last modification 15.05.2020

Please bear in mind that English translations are provided by the Swiss authorities as a courtesy only, and the legally binding texts are those in our national languages, to which you can switch at to top right-hand corner.

Welcome!

rezak 26.05.2020 20:55

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Disjoint (Post 3185130)
Hi Rezak - HR at my new firm (thing large Swiss conglomerate) informed me that border re-opens on the 8th of June. I will ask them tomorrow about the permit (they didn't seem concerned) and will come back on the forum when I have an answer

Thanks! A friend of mine is a similar situation (but without real HR support), so I'd be very grateful if you can tell me how they are planning to pull this through.

Quote:

Originally Posted by doropfiz (Post 3185141)
https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...weigerung.html
Corona: Questions and answers on entry and stay in Switzerland, the exceptions and suspension of visas
Last modification 15.05.2020

Please bear in mind that English translations are provided by the Swiss authorities as a courtesy only, and the legally binding texts are those in our national languages, to which you can switch at to top right-hand corner.

Welcome!

That's the same URL I linked, and it indeed says:
I plan to work for more than three months in Switzerland. Can I apply for a residence permit?
In principle, persons will only be allowed to enter Switzerland in order to work if there is an overriding public interest in them doing so in terms of the COVID-19 Ordinance 2.


The exceptions are for "public interest" jobs and for requests filed before 25 March. Maybe OP falls into one of these two?

Disjoint 27.05.2020 12:45

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
Alright - had a senior member of staff in charge of relocation just give me further information today:

As a EU citizen all you have to do is before you start your job is enter the country and register with the Canton's authority. You need an address and a work contract for this.
Everything was suspended unless your contract had been signed in March.

They are re-opening hiring etc... AFTER the 8th of June

Due to the Corona situation your employer needs to give you a special paper to justify your employment - this is Corona related and not part of the procedure usually. Without this special paper you cannot start your job. In my case my employer is putting it together at the moment.

Side note as I asked for my wife, the UK is considered part of the EU for the time being and the process works the same as for EU citizens for the time being.

rezak 27.05.2020 14:30

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Disjoint (Post 3185376)
Alright - had a senior member of staff in charge of relocation just give me further information today:

As a EU citizen all you have to do is before you start your job is enter the country and register with the Canton's authority. You need an address and a work contract for this.
Everything was suspended unless your contract had been signed in March.

They are re-opening hiring etc... AFTER the 8th of June

Due to the Corona situation your employer needs to give you a special paper to justify your employment - this is Corona related and not part of the procedure usually. Without this special paper you cannot start your job. In my case my employer is putting it together at the moment.

Side note as I asked for my wife, the UK is considered part of the EU for the time being and the process works the same as for EU citizens for the time being.

Thanks for the update, good to know. So they are planning to allow entry for "non public interest" jobs starting 8th of June, but you still need to have some specific papers for that? Or your employer is simply trying to frame your job as "public interest"?
Do you by chance have any context link for that? I did not find anything around about this

rezak 28.05.2020 22:06

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
To answer my own question, https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...weigerung.html actually has been updated and now officially states:

The following easing of restrictions on migration will come into effect in Switzerland on 8 June 2020:
The cantons will begin to process all applications for residence or cross-border commuter permits made by workers from EU/EFTA states.

Landers 28.05.2020 22:57

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
For Brits, of which I'm one, and possibly also for other privileged EU member states there is a right to live and work so the "permit" is simply a formality. When I arrived in Basel in 2012 I started work and even opened a bank account (using a friend's address) before I had a permit.

qwertz 29.05.2020 00:49

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Landers (Post 3186006)
For Brits, of which I'm one, and possibly also for other privileged EU member states there is a right to live and work so the "permit" is simply a formality. When I arrived in Basel in 2012 I started work and even opened a bank account (using a friend's address) before I had a permit.

Once upon a better time... If you continue chronologically Brits have since lost the right to many of these privileges which will cease at the end of the year and will no longer be a simple formality

rezak 29.05.2020 09:31

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Landers (Post 3186006)
For Brits, of which I'm one, and possibly also for other privileged EU member states there is a right to live and work so the "permit" is simply a formality. When I arrived in Basel in 2012 I started work and even opened a bank account (using a friend's address) before I had a permit.

In pre-COVID times, sure.
Today nobody is allowed to cross the border just because they are coming here to work (you must have a pre-approved permit, contract is not enough) and immigration office will not accept your permit request unless you are some sort of health sector worker.
As I interpret the new updates: from 8th June, EU/EFTA citizens who have a contract won't be able to cross the border yet, but they will be able to request a permit, and once this "assurance of permit" is issued by the canton - only then they will be able to move to Switzerland.

inksane 29.05.2020 13:23

Re: Applying for permit on the same day I am starting my job
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezak (Post 3186081)
In pre-COVID times, sure.
Today nobody is allowed to cross the border just because they are coming here to work (you must have a pre-approved permit, contract is not enough) and immigration office will not accept your permit request unless you are some sort of health sector worker.
As I interpret the new updates: from 8th June, EU/EFTA citizens who have a contract won't be able to cross the border yet, but they will be able to request a permit, and once this "assurance of permit" is issued by the canton - only then they will be able to move to Switzerland.


Yes, I see it the same way.


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