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mhb 29.05.2020 22:17

Delay between submission of resident permit after arrival and receiving it
 
Hi,
I am arrived about a week ago and reported my arrival by registering for a resident permit in my commune.
Since I need my L work/resident permit (to be issued by the Cantonal offices) to be able to start my job, I want to know usually how much it takes between submission, going to the biometric center, and receiving my permit?
Please consider that I completed all the steps (submission and biometric data registration).
I am a third-country national.

swisspea 29.05.2020 22:55

Re: Delay between submission of resident permit after arrival and receiving it
 
Firstly, it should have been pre-authorised by your employer, so they can check that it's approved and get a confirmation, so you can work.


Secondly, you can go to the local town hall and ask them how you can get a document to confirm your status, whilst waiting for your actual 'card' or 'paper' visa. I am sure they can help you.



I have no idea why your employer thinks you need the actual permit/visa document to begin work, as they should already have got permission to employ you and have documents to support that...


I assume by 'third country' you mean Non-EU/Non-UK and you therefore got a D visa for arrival for work purposes, from the Swiss consulate general in your home country, before you arrived ?

mhb 29.05.2020 23:35

Re: Delay between submission of resident permit after arrival and receiving it
 
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Originally Posted by swisspea (Post 3186383)
Firstly, it should have been pre-authorised by your employer, so they can check that it's approved and get a confirmation, so you can work.

Yes, initially the canton approved in Feb 2020 and informed the university about that, then SEM issued an Authorisation Letter. With this letter, I could get my type D Visa from Germany. (I have a valid EU resident permit, so I choose to pick my visa up from the Swiss Embassy in Germany.)


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Secondly, you can go to the local town hall and ask them how you can get a document to confirm your status, whilst waiting for your actual 'card' or 'paper' visa. I am sure they can help you.
They sent me a Stablishment Certificate which indicates that I submitted successfully for a resident permit. But HR didn't accept it and says we need confirmation from related cantonal authorities.


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I have no idea why your employer thinks you need the actual permit/visa document to begin work, as they should already have got permission to employ you and have documents to support that...
I am thinking the same, I complained about this in recent days, because for every tiny thing, a signed contract is required. I am/was in a big trouble to find accommodation. Finally, I could find a place but by paying the costs for the whole period I want to stay!!

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I assume by 'third country' you mean Non-EU/Non-UK and you therefore got a D visa for arrival for work purposes, from the Swiss consulate general in your home country, before you arrived ?
Yes, exactly.

bowlie 30.05.2020 07:25

Re: Delay between submission of resident permit after arrival and receiving it
 
There is absolutely no way this question can be answered.

The authorities have been in lockdown for some weeks and they have just now begun processing the backlog of documents.

If your employer is hesitant about you working until you have the permit, then they must know something that you don’t know. It sounds unusual to me, but I suspect they know what they are doing.

Once you’ve been photographed, fingerprinted and had your signature recorded digitally it took less than a week for the permit to arrive via post. But I’m sure they are backlogged as well. They also do this for Swiss Passports and ID cards.

Island Monkey 30.05.2020 08:59

Re: Delay between submission of resident permit after arrival and receiving it
 
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Originally Posted by mhb (Post 3186379)
Since I need my L work/resident permit (to be issued by the Cantonal offices) to be able to start my job

You don't. Your employer is wrong. If they won't take your word for it, ask them to call your gemeinde, or the authority that granted your entry & D visa.

mhb 30.05.2020 12:29

Re: Delay between submission of resident permit after arrival and receiving it
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3186411)
There is absolutely no way this question can be answered.

The authorities have been in lockdown for some weeks and they have just now begun processing the backlog of documents.

If your employer is hesitant about you working until you have the permit, then they must know something that you donít know. It sounds unusual to me, but I suspect they know what they are doing.

Once youíve been photographed, fingerprinted and had your signature recorded digitally it took less than a week for the permit to arrive via post. But Iím sure they are backlogged as well. They also do this for Swiss Passports and ID cards.

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Originally Posted by Island Monkey (Post 3186419)
You don't. Your employer is wrong. If they won't take your word for it, ask them to call your gemeinde, or the authority that granted your entry & D visa.

OK, I explained this to them 2 days ago; but no luck. Of course, they are in hurry and covid19 made it even worse, but it seems HR afraid of violating the laws and putting the company in a bad situation; so they are keeping tight on my case. This is what I heard from my boss.
Next week they are going to call the Cantonal Office of foreigners and employment. Yesterday they were not reachable. I hope it works. Personally I decided to go to the commune and explain the situation to them.

Thank you for your help and advice.

Pachyderm 30.05.2020 12:43

Re: Delay between submission of resident permit after arrival and receiving it
 
As others have said, it's not necessary to have the actual permit on the table to start work, as long as it's clear that the right process has been followed. Your HR are being unreasonable. The Covid crisis prevented the issue of permits for about 2 months, as they well know, so they should be taking that into account. I hope you get sorted out soon.

doropfiz 30.05.2020 17:33

Re: Delay between submission of resident permit after arrival and receiving it
 
I'm not sure I understand.

The D-Visa is always based on a decision that the authorities have already taken, to give so some other category of permit, in your case probably an L, maybe a B.

Do you already have your D-Visa, or do you have only a letter from the SEM which says that you will - at some point in the future - get the D-Visa? Does the letter also contain some explanation of the decision already taken?

Are you in Switzerland already? As a tourist, or on a D-Visa?

Island Monkey 30.05.2020 17:57

Re: Delay between submission of resident permit after arrival and receiving it
 
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Originally Posted by doropfiz (Post 3186520)
Do you already have your D-Visa, or do you have only a letter from the SEM which says that you will - at some point in the future - get the D-Visa? Does the letter also contain some explanation of the decision already taken?

Are you in Switzerland already? As a tourist, or on a D-Visa?

See OPs previous post.......

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Originally Posted by mhb (Post 3186391)
Yes, initially the canton approved in Feb 2020 and informed the university about that, then SEM issued an Authorisation Letter. With this letter, I could get my type D Visa from Germany. (I have a valid EU resident permit, so I choose to pick my visa up from the Swiss Embassy in Germany.)

They sent me a Stablishment Certificate which indicates that I submitted successfully for a resident permit. But HR didn't accept it and says we need confirmation from related cantonal authorities.


doropfiz 30.05.2020 19:32

Re: Delay between submission of resident permit after arrival and receiving it
 
Yes. But I still don't know whether this means future or past. He could get his D-Visa, and he can choose to pick it up in Germany. But did he?

And did the letter from the SEM state what permit he will get, when he gets here?
I thought that, once one actually holds the D-Visa in one's hand, one can just go down to the municipality and exchange it for the permit. No?

mhb 30.05.2020 20:07

Re: Delay between submission of resident permit after arrival and receiving it
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by doropfiz (Post 3186541)
Yes. But I still don't know whether this means future or past. He could get his D-Visa, and he can choose to pick it up in Germany. But did he?

And did the letter from the SEM state what permit he will get, when he gets here?
I thought that, once one actually holds the D-Visa in one's hand, one can just go down to the municipality and exchange it for the permit. No?

Yes. I've got my Visa.
I entered Switzerland with that Visa ~10 days ago.
The later from SEM says I'll get L permit.
I went to municipality and registered my arrival (and also for resident permit)


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