Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Permits/visas/government  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02.06.2020, 13:22
Spinal's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,395
Groaned at 11 Times in 10 Posts
Thanked 1,372 Times in 600 Posts
Spinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond repute
Dual National: Brexit?

A question that I doubt has a concrete answer, so looking for opinions.

I have a few nationalities, and a few years ago, when I registered in Switzerland, did so with my British passport and got an EU B-permit.

Fast forward a few years, and soon I should be able to apply for my C-permit (under the 5-year rule).

That said, by then (in about 14 months), the UK will no longer be part of the EU. I thought I could change the nationality on my permit with another (EU) one, so emailed SEM...

Their response:
Quote:
Please contact the competent cantonal authority if you wish to change your nationality from UK to <country2> for your permit. They will have to issue a new authorisation for you.
So, now my thoughts:

- Will issuing a new authorisation "reset" my 5 year counter?
- Is it worth doing? The Canadians and Americans seem to also have a 5-year waiver, so one could hope that the UK will have a similar setup in future?
- Even if British-non-EU, I could apply to the early C-permit, and include a letter stating that I'm still an EU citizen...

Thoughts?
M

Last edited by Spinal; 02.06.2020 at 13:46.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02.06.2020, 13:27
Island Monkey's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wallis
Posts: 5,973
Groaned at 100 Times in 65 Posts
Thanked 6,681 Times in 3,027 Posts
Island Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dual National: Brexit?

What nationalities?

If EU, then you can just go to your gemeinde and change your nationality to your other EU one. If they are non-EU, then no way!! Your employer would probably have to go through the whole non-EU process, where as Brits already resident here have been promised that their status will remained unchanged after brexit.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02.06.2020, 14:12
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 22,325
Groaned at 411 Times in 319 Posts
Thanked 17,356 Times in 9,738 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dual National: Brexit?

Why would it reset the counter? It's on time spent as a resident in Switzerland, no matter what your nationality is. 5 years is 5 years whether you spend 3 as a Brit and 2 as some other EU nationality.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Medea Fleecestealer for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 02.06.2020, 14:13
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 12,783
Groaned at 99 Times in 88 Posts
Thanked 19,576 Times in 8,681 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dual National: Brexit?

EU nationals do not have a preferred treatment for early C after 5 years. The treaties between Switzerland and the EU do not handle this subject. All are in the same boat save a few special countries with a treaty and agreement or only a treaty with Switzerland which are coincidentally often also EU members. The true reason is that most of this countries are western European countries and most western European countries are EU members.

If you claim early C based on one of the treaty and agreement nations which are BE, DE, DK, FR, GR, IT, LI, NL, AT, PL, and SP you must have had this nationality for at least 5 years of stay. Those and only those nationalities have a right to get C after five years.
(Section 3.5.2.1 in the SEM handbooks https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/de/home...erbereich.html )

Same goes for the soft claimable ones based on a treaty only which are AD, UK, IE, IS, CA, LU, MC, NO, SM, SE, VA, and US. In that case you can apply for C after 5 years but must only fulfill the regular requirements.

Any other nationality has to request early C through VINTA/good integration with more stringent language requirements.

Nothing changes for UK nationals regarding early C you are allready in the same boat as Canadaians and US Americans. Same procedure pre and post Brexit. You would only gain a slight advantage if you have also a nationality of the first mentioned list as they are relived of the language requirements.
__________________
On Hiatus- Normal operation will resume 22.02.2022 22:02:20.22

Last edited by aSwissInTheUS; 02.06.2020 at 14:26.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank aSwissInTheUS for this useful post:
  #5  
Old 02.06.2020, 15:59
NotAllThere's Avatar
Mod x2
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baselland
Posts: 13,871
Groaned at 245 Times in 216 Posts
Thanked 20,474 Times in 8,319 Posts
NotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dual National: Brexit?

Quote:
View Post
Nothing changes for UK nationals regarding early C you are already in the same boat as Canadians and US Americans. Same procedure pre and post Brexit.
Sure about that? All the British people I know, including myself and my family got C permits after 5 years, as expected. I've never heard of British person having to wait longer - it was automatic.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02.06.2020, 16:11
Spinal's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,395
Groaned at 11 Times in 10 Posts
Thanked 1,372 Times in 600 Posts
Spinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dual National: Brexit?

Quote:
View Post
If you claim early C based on one of the treaty and agreement nations which are BE, DE, DK, FR, GR, IT, LI, NL, AT, PL, and SP you must have had this nationality for at least 5 years of stay. Those and only those nationalities have a right to get C after five years.
(Section 3.5.2.1 in the SEM handbooks https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/de/home...erbereich.html )

Same goes for the soft claimable ones based on a treaty only which are AD, UK, IE, IS, CA, LU, MC, NO, SM, SE, VA, and US. In that case you can apply for C after 5 years but must only fulfill the regular requirements.
Thanks!

So I have at least one of the list with a treaty (Italy), and another EU nation.... the Italian one I've had a LONG time (since I was born )... So it seems like based on that it would make sense to "change" my B permit to reflect being an Italian citizen instead of British...

Will pass by the gemeinde on Thursday and see
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Spinal for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 02.06.2020, 16:47
DUTCH's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Wollerau
Posts: 417
Groaned at 7 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 690 Times in 255 Posts
DUTCH has a reputation beyond reputeDUTCH has a reputation beyond reputeDUTCH has a reputation beyond reputeDUTCH has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dual National: Brexit?

Quote:
View Post
Sure about that? All the British people I know, including myself and my family got C permits after 5 years, as expected. I've never heard of British person having to wait longer - it was automatic.

I think aSitUS is referring to UK situation where UK citizens had to satisfy the language requirement like non-EU applicants to get C, while for citzens of his 1st list (e.g. DE or NL) there was no language requirement.

Last edited by DUTCH; 02.06.2020 at 16:48. Reason: .
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02.06.2020, 17:03
NotAllThere's Avatar
Mod x2
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baselland
Posts: 13,871
Groaned at 245 Times in 216 Posts
Thanked 20,474 Times in 8,319 Posts
NotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dual National: Brexit?

Quote:
View Post
I think aSitUS is referring to UK situation where UK citizens had to satisfy the language requirement like non-EU applicants to get C, while for citzens of his 1st list (e.g. DE or NL) there was no language requirement.
Oh, OK, that makes sense. Most of the people I know got them before that requirement came in.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02.06.2020, 17:49
Island Monkey's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wallis
Posts: 5,973
Groaned at 100 Times in 65 Posts
Thanked 6,681 Times in 3,027 Posts
Island Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond reputeIsland Monkey has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dual National: Brexit?

Quote:
View Post
Thanks!

So I have at least one of the list with a treaty (Italy), and another EU nation.... the Italian one I've had a LONG time (since I was born )... So it seems like based on that it would make sense to "change" my B permit to reflect being an Italian citizen instead of British...

Will pass by the gemeinde on Thursday and see
Hell yeah, change to being Italian. Far better to have an EU citizenship on your permit especially one not required to take the C permit language tests.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Island Monkey for this useful post:
  #10  
Old 02.06.2020, 20:23
NotAllThere's Avatar
Mod x2
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baselland
Posts: 13,871
Groaned at 245 Times in 216 Posts
Thanked 20,474 Times in 8,319 Posts
NotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dual National: Brexit?

Quote:
View Post
Hell yeah, change to being Italian. Far better to have an EU citizenship on your permit especially one not required to take the C permit language tests.
Done it. Not that hard. I even found it useful.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Post Brexit , UK National ,Marriage to C Permit Holder abbazaba Permits/visas/government 14 19.10.2019 14:53
Spouse of Swiss and EU/EFTA dual national - easier process vc329 Permits/visas/government 2 05.08.2019 10:26
Making a will as a dual national: some further questions krlock3 Family matters/health 31 24.09.2016 07:55
Army [Swiss dual national, exemption] safy Permits/visas/government 35 28.04.2014 21:33
Dual National Travelling to Australia on Swiss passport AbFab Permits/visas/government 6 08.09.2011 23:18


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 04:32.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0