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Do I have to renew a permit which I know I would not receive it before leaving CH?

I'm an international Ph.D. student who is probably supposed to leave Switzerland around January 2021. My B permit will be expired around mid November 2020. According to my experience during recent years in renewal of my permit, the canton I have been living in would not pass me the new one in less than 4 months. So, it seems that if I apply for a new one, it is very unlikely that I receive it before I leave the country. My primary intention not to apply for a new one is basically saving the around-70-CHF money that I have to pay for that. If I don't act toward the renewal, my residence would be illegal from the expiration date till the day I would leave. However, even if I apply for a new B-permit, they don't pass me any receipt to show to the officers of the airport when I leave. So (please correct me if I am wrong), I would be able to leave without any problem. But what is the likelihood of being denied for future travelling to Switzerland because of this?
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Old 12.06.2020, 13:19
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Working here illegally would lead to a long term ban from entering the country.

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Working here illegally would lead to a long term ban from entering the country.
And possibly all of Shengen.

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... However, even if I apply for a new B-permit, they don't pass me any receipt to show to the officers of the airport when I leave...
The cantonal authorities can issue you with a letter that says the permit is being processed. If you know now that you won't be done in November, ask for an extension now to cover the time you need to defend, etc. A letter from the uni would help get that going.

When you leave you have to de-register with the municipality. As Tom said, you're working. That's far different than overstaying as a tourist. Kinda hard to de-register and not get caught for having illegally overstayed and worked.

Just in case you're thinking oh, I just won't de-register...you'll still be obligated to pay any open contracts, such as health insurance, phone, gym, whatever. Those debts will keep on piling up whether you're here or not, and will certainly bite you when you come back.

Don't try something stupid over 70 bucks. Seriously.
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I'm an international Ph.D. student who is probably supposed to leave Switzerland around January 2021. My B permit will be expired around mid November 2020. According to my experience during recent years in renewal of my permit, the canton I have been living in would not pass me the new one in less than 4 months. So, it seems that if I apply for a new one, it is very unlikely that I receive it before I leave the country. My primary intention not to apply for a new one is basically saving the around-70-CHF money that I have to pay for that. If I don't act toward the renewal, my residence would be illegal from the expiration date till the day I would leave. However, even if I apply for a new B-permit, they don't pass me any receipt to show to the officers of the airport when I leave. So (please correct me if I am wrong), I would be able to leave without any problem. But what is the likelihood of being denied for future travelling to Switzerland because of this?
The papers you present or not to passport control (border guard) at the airport are not that important. What matters is the information in the database the border guards check. They scan the codes of the passport or the residence permit and if they care they'll probably ask what happened between permit expiration and departure date. Once I arrived to Zurich Kloten after a 10 hours flight. In my zombie state I only managed to give my passport to the border guard, he scanned it, then asked in a non-friendly way why I did not presented my residence permit. Then ranted for a minute or so that if I had a residence permit I was obliged to present it along the passport. The lesson is the database works.

One incentive to do everything following the rules (deregister from the commune/gemeinde, etc) is that you can take with you the money from the 2nd pillar of your retirement account. The 2nd pillar savings after the PhD could be 100 or 200 times those 70 francs.
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