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Permits for EU and British Spouse

Hi all,

My first post in the forum, although an avid reader before! I've tried doing as much research as possible but some questions are still too difficult.

I'm an EU national with a British spouse and we're nearing to moving to Zurich, Switzerland. I've received a job offer and my other half is still looking at the moment but we're both very excited. I've got a couple questions that I hope you could advise on. We're worried about the rules changes after 31 December 2020 due to her British citizenship so would prefer to secure permits whilst her job search continues. I understand there's two possible permits that my spouse can apply for: (1). The 'B' permit for EU/EEA nationals before 31 December 2020 (sufficient funds), and (2). The 'B' family reunification permit.
  • Are there any advantages in one over the other?
  • If she has no job contract yet, is (1) route feasible - how much individual funds are needed to be evidenced?
  • Is a marriage certificate from UK sufficient to prove the relationship between us? We've got married recently and moving to Switzerland was our first decision - any issues/questions we can expect due to recency of marriage?
  • What apartment size is considered to be OK for two people in terms of permit requirements?
  • Can we make applications at the same time in person in Zurich in both (1) and (2) cases (preferable), or in (2)nd scenario would we need to wait until my application is processed and full permit issued?
  • If we understand little German, do you suggest getting any support going through the process (as forms are in German). Quite confident we can fill them, but would be harder to answer verbal questions in person if they're not in English?
  • I understand there are quotas on the permits. Does that have any impact in practice?
  • Is permit only issued with a full 12+ month rent contract, or is there any alternative? Is there any chance that e.g. I'd sign on the long-term rent contract, but permit wouldn't be issued? Is it even possible to sign one before having a bank account?
  • In practice my spouse will continue her job in the UK, whilst submitting applications and coming to Zurich every couple weeks for interviews and to stay with me (as I will also travel back to UK). Are there any concerns for her to apply for a 'B' permit in these circumstances? Are there going to be any tax implications, i.e. does having a 'B' permit automatically make her a tax resident in Switzerland, as her main location of employment/living will remain UK until she secures a job here? Is there any other reason we wouldn't want to do both permits together for peace of mind?

Thank you so much!
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Old 18.06.2020, 14:53
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Re: Permits for EU and British Spouse

Welcome to the Forum. I think if you come over now before everything with Brexit is final, she'll be fine either way and she'd be grandfathered in under existing agreements. But I'm not 100% sure. A dependent permit is probably fastest and easiest instead of separate permits.

Have a bump since you posted this around midnight and maybe not many folks saw it.
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Re: Permits for EU and British Spouse

You’re way over thinking things

If you get here before the end of the year and you have a reasonably paid job and a place to live with 1 bedroom, she will get a permit as your wife no problem.

Edit: Sorry I just read your last point. She’s not gonna be able to remain working in the UK, that would be a nightmare. She needs to be here as your dependant before the end of the year.

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You’re way over thinking things

If you get here before the end of the year and you have a reasonably paid job and a place to live with 1 bedroom, she will get a permit as your wife no problem.

Edit: Sorry I just read your last point. She’s not gonna be able to remain working in the UK, that would be a nightmare. She need to be here as your dependant before the end of the year.

Stated another way, as long as you move here together at the same time before the end of the year she will automatically receive a residence permit that will give her the right to work based on the fact that she is the spouse of a permit-holding EU citizen. I moved here on such a permit without having a job lined up (it was my spouse who found work here.)



If she stays in the UK things will be much more complicated.
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Re: Permits for EU and British Spouse

There are no quota limits for EU nationals and their dependents so no problem there.

No, you just need a rental contract for a few months, it doesn't have to be a long term one. Many people move here without having their permanent accommodation sorted out first.

I second (or third) your wife not staying in the UK. One of the requirements for the family reunificaton permit is that she lives with you here, not elsewhere. She should give up her job and concentrate on getting a new one here. It may also be easier since the emphasis is on employing people who already have a permit to live/work here plus it makes it easier for her to attend interviews - and she can work on her German as well in her spare time. Unless your new salary isn't high enough to support two people (in which case the family reunification permit wouldn't be granted anyway) her staying in the UK willl almost certainly rule out a family reunification permit.
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Old 20.06.2020, 10:57
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Re: Permits for EU and British Spouse

Your wife livng and working in the UK would give you tax headaches, surely?
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Re: Permits for EU and British Spouse

Some information here from the British Embassy in Bern(e)

Switzerland and the UK have signed an agreement regarding movement of people between the two countries. In supersedes the CH-EU bilateral accord.
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Re: Permits for EU and British Spouse

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Some information here from the British Embassy in Bern(e)

Switzerland and the UK have signed an agreement regarding movement of people between the two countries. In supersedes the CH-EU bilateral accord.
There is no such movement of people agreement (which would be against the Swiss constitution following the 2014 vote).

The only thing that was agreed was that rights for existing residents would not be affected and freedom of movement is guaranteed until no further than 31 Dec 2020.
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Some information here from the British Embassy in Bern(e)

Switzerland and the UK have signed an agreement regarding movement of people between the two countries. In supersedes the CH-EU bilateral accord.
The link you posted, documents the current situation which is to keep Switzerland and the UK in line with the EU transition agreement. Nothing about the future, yet.

Give all the agreements between the EU and CH, I would not expect to find that the final CH/UK will vary much from whatever is agreed between the UK and the EU.
 




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