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90 days of stay in Schengen - time spent in airports

I would like to know when the clock related to 90/180 day rule start. Assume I'm travelling from Switzerland to Norway and I have a resident permit from Switzerland. My flight leaves Geneva today and I spend the night in Frankfurt airport (transit area) because the connecting flight is tomorrow. Then I arrive in Norway tomorrow. When does the clock begin? Is it when I arrive in Germany today or Norway tomorrow? Is there any official document that answer this question? I cannot find any.
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Re: 90 days of stay in Schengen - time spent in airports

When you leave Switzerland today, simple.
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Re: 90 days of stay in Schengen - time spent in airports

The 90/180 days rule is for people from outside the Schengen area.

Option C: Not at all.


EDIT: I'm wrong.

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Re: 90 days of stay in Schengen - time spent in airports

If you have a residence permit for Switzerland, it means you live in Shengen. Therefore you can freely travel within Shengen without worrying about 90 days, unless you risk losing your permit by being gone so long.
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Re: 90 days of stay in Schengen - time spent in airports

If you check this document https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/fi...er_faqs_en.pdf
even for people with resident permits, you have the 90/180 day requirement.
(also question 15 in this document https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/fi...estions_en.pdf)

But I always wonder how they enforce this since there is no border check.
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If you check this document https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/fi...er_faqs_en.pdf
even for people with resident permits, you have the 90/180 day requirement.
(also question 15 in this document https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/fi...estions_en.pdf)

But I always wonder how they enforce this since there is no border check.
Indeed. Non-EU nationals with a Swiss residence permit can only be in an EU country for a maximum of 90 days as a tourist. Otherwise they're supposed to leave or register as being resident in that country. Come to that theoretically that applies to EU nationals as well; you can't stay in another EU country indefinitely as a tourist. Though how well they can/do police that is anyone's guess.
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If you check this document https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/fi...er_faqs_en.pdf
even for people with resident permits, you have the 90/180 day requirement.
(also question 15 in this document https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/fi...estions_en.pdf)

But I always wonder how they enforce this since there is no border check.
I see what Medea means.

If you're really worried and want to stay within the rules, just don't cut it that close. Especially in these uncertain times, give yourself a little wiggle room in case there are delays, cancellations, or even quarantines to deal with.

Count from the day you leave and make sure you're back in Switzerland no later than the 89th day, maybe even a few days earlier than that.

For example, let's call today day 1, since that's when you'll be leaving Switzerland. 84 days from now would be 27 September. Try to get back to Switzerland before then.

Edit - You say you're going to Norway. I believe they have a quarantine rule in place, so there might be some sort of record of your arrival at the airport so they can track you down in case you violate the quarantine or if someone you've been in contact with tested positive.
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Indeed. Non-EU nationals with a Swiss residence permit can only be in an EU country for a maximum of 90 days as a tourist. Otherwise they're supposed to leave or register as being resident in that country. Come to that theoretically that applies to EU nationals as well; you can't stay in another EU country indefinitely as a tourist. Though how well they can/do police that is anyone's guess.
Than his clock would start tomorrow and not today.
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Re: 90 days of stay in Schengen - time spent in airports

The Brits used to count overnight stays only for tax liability purposes, but then that changed, to stop, say, Chunnell commuters
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Re: 90 days of stay in Schengen - time spent in airports

Generally speaking for "days spent" you count where you were at midnight otherwise you can end up with a total yearly day count greater than 365 (or >366)
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Generally speaking for "days spent" you count where you were at midnight otherwise you can end up with a total yearly day count greater than 365 (or >366)
Do you know about any document that mention this?
 

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