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Frontalier moving to B permit to avoid the 24.9% working from home

Dear all, something interesting for several frontaliers.

I leave in France and my company is happy for me working from home (WFH) possibly for longer term.

With the 24.9% WFH suspended in France till 31st of August (maybe it will get extended) I would like to expand options of me not legally getting forced to visit my office.

One of my thoughts was to move my address to my Swiss canton (Aargau) by finding to rent a tiny room while I still stay at my family house in France.

Will this work and will this give me a B permit?

Any suggestions?
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Dear all, something interesting for several frontaliers.

I leave in France and my company is happy for me working from home (WFH) possibly for longer term.

With the 24.9% WFH suspended in France till 31st of August (maybe it will get extended) I would like to expand options of me not legally getting forced to visit my office.

One of my thoughts was to move my address to my Swiss canton (Aargau) by finding to rent a tiny room while I still stay at my family house in France.

Will this work and will this give me a B permit?

Any suggestions?
Pretty certain that's not legal, and at least the French will likely ultimately find out and make you pay taxes in France. You'll also likely be in hot water as regards the 24.9% rule. Basically don't go there would be my advice.

You'll ultimately need to actually live in Switzerland if you want to continue WFH. If you are British you might want to investigate whether you need to do this by the end of the Brexit transition period.
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Pretty certain that's not legal, and at least the French will likely ultimately find out and make you pay taxes in France. You'll also likely be in hot water as regards the 24.9% rule. Basically don't go there would be my advice.

You'll ultimately need to actually live in Switzerland if you want to continue WFH. If you are British you might want to investigate whether you need to do this by the end of the Brexit transition period.
Thanks HickvonFrick, I understand it is not so Legal but I am not so sure that the French will be able to trace?
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Thanks HickvonFrick, I understand it is not so Legal but I am not so sure that the French will be able to trace?
The communes around Geneva have been doing their best to stop tax fraud with French residents claiming Swiss residency. Iím sure they will share their secrets with your commune.
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Re: Frontalier moving to B permit to avoid the 24.9% working from home

checking water and electricity meters and use, for instance. You have to register with the Swiss Gemeinde as soon as you move in (about a week) - and you will become liable for Swiss taxes and compulsory Health Insurance.


+ you underestimate the 'curtain twitchers' - your neighbours will be very aware you don't live there and start asking questions with their mates at the Gemeinde, etc.
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Re: Frontalier moving to B permit to avoid the 24.9% working from home

With your family there, it will be a hard sell, if your job is less than 1 hour of car even more so. I would check sanctions in France too.
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Thanks HickvonFrick, I understand it is not so Legal but I am not so sure that the French will be able to trace?
Would they even bother?

We never set out with that intent, but lived most of the time at our French house while keeping a Swiss address and permit. At the time, before the bilateral agreements, this was a very grey area, with both French and Swiss able to claim that we lived there.

On the French side it was only ever the Douanes who were bothered, mainly about car usage. We obviously (as houseowners) pay all local taxes and charges and could legitimately claim to be spending enough time in CH (as homeowners there too) to remain Swiss resident as defined in the bilaterals.

Anyway, since 2007 or whenever it was it's unlikely that they will systematically target you, although more so on AG or BS plates than the OW and now VS ones our cars wear.

But, and this might be a big but, once you've been tax resident in France it may be much more difficult to persuade them that you're no longer living there, so our experiences may not be so relevant.
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Thanks HickvonFrick, I understand it is not so Legal but I am not so sure that the French will be able to trace?
You work under the assumptions that the Swiss commune won't care and would be ever so happy to take your taxes regardless if you actually live there. You are wrong.


PS: There is a difference between to leave/leaving and to live/living.
to leave means to go away from a place or location.
 

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