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Remarrying my Swiss Ex-Wife

Hi everyone,
I am american and a few years ago was living in germany working. I found and married my swiss ex wife in the beginning of 2018 and I was traveling regularly back and forth from freiburg to her in zurich. I never obtained a swiss residency and we divorced in august 2019. We were/are best friends and kept in contact. after about a month of me returning back to america we decided she would come visit me. She came a few times from october till dec 2019 to stay with me a couple weeks each time. I then stayed with her for a few weeks in zurich in the end of jan 2020. Naturally we wanted to stay together so we decided that she was going to come in early march 2020 and stay for a few months with me in america (i live in miami beach). literally, When she got here the next week and a half later the border was closed from entry. She was with me in america for almost 5 months before she had to go back to work in zurich. We are so connected and by the end of this time we decided to remarry and I would move to zurich and build a future with her there. She called the kanton we got divorced from and they said they still have all my documentation and I would need to contact the atlanta swiss embassy in the USA for a type D visa. I tried calling but they dont accept calls for visas and I wrote them explaining the situation and am hoping for an email back with specific instructions on what to do next.

Since many people on these boards have had experiences with Visas and also know whats going on with the whole corona situation; could you give me any advise on how to go about this and what to expect. I am not sure if I should just wait for a response or there is a specific document I must fill out and mail in etc. I basically am trying to be prepared as best I can to make this as smooth as possible so I don't waste time doing things in the wrong manner.

And yes it is very true it sounds like a crazy story and it is. We shouldn't have gotten divorced in the first place, we just had a lot of uncertainty and issues at the time, but we live, learn and grow.

Thanks in advance for the advice.
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She called the kanton we got divorced from and they said they still have all my documentation and I would need to contact the atlanta swiss embassy in the USA for a type D visa. I tried calling but they dont accept calls for visas and I wrote them explaining the situation and am hoping for an email back with specific instructions on what to do next.

Since many people on these boards have had experiences with Visas and also know whats going on with the whole corona situation; could you give me any advise on how to go about this and what to expect. I am not sure if I should just wait for a response or there is a specific document I must fill out and mail in etc. I basically am trying to be prepared as best I can to make this as smooth as possible so I don't waste time doing things in the wrong manner.
Although I can't advise on the order of the steps, these are the kinds of papers I think you'll most likely need.

I'd suggest that your wife-to-be asks the office she called for a copy of the documentation they still have, of yours, or a letter confirming which documents they have on file. She may need a signature from you, to do that.

Write up the chronology, briefly.

Your wife-to-be may be asked to prove that she has sufficient income to support you both, and that she already owns/rents a home that is large enough for both of you to live in.
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Re: Remarrying my Swiss Ex-Wife

Thanks for the response. The embassy sent me a nice email that sent me marriage preparation instructions and family reunification process requirements and said once I received all the documents to setup an appointment. I am honestly a bit confused after reading over the marriage preparations because i think this step is actually complete.

My wife to be contacted winterthur and today sent her an email (naturally in Deutsch)saying they have all the documents needed and all they need to setup a marriage appointment is her passport, my passport and my valid residence permit. i emailed the embassy a copy of that email and they thanked me for the confirmation from the swiss civil office and said once i have collected all required docs to contact her coworker the civil department to setup an appointment (i think she means in atlanta). I think, but dont want to be wrong that since the the winterthur civil office has everything the marriage preparation part is complete. All I need to do is email the embassy back for an appointment and bring in to my appointment:
1)a copy of the email my fiance got
2)3 copies of the application form for the national long stay type D visa
3)four passport photos
4)two valid passport copies
5)two valid passport copies from my fiance
6)proof that I can speak a minimum of A1 (from my Deutschkurse)
7)a prepaid ups envelope
8)and of course money

Other things I noticed: it stated in the Type D app: number of entries and dont know if i put single or multiple and for family reunion i believe spouse is the only logical choice

Thanks!
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Re: Remarrying my Swiss Ex-Wife

No official advice from me but thanks for sharing! Are you more ready for the next storm?
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Re: Remarrying my Swiss Ex-Wife

Switzerland distinguishes between visas and permits.

A visa allows a person to cross the border to enter into Switzerland.
Some nationalities need a visa to enter Switzerland as a tourist, others do not.
However, even those nationalities who would not need a visa as a tourist, may need one to enter the country for a different purpose than a vacation. This is you, as your purpose of entering the country is to marry and take up residence here.
The type of visa you need is a D.
Since your purpose is not tourism, you should not enter Switzerland without a D-Visa.
You need "single entry" because you intend to stay, and because once you're here you'll be getting a permit (see below) whereafter you will no longer need a visa.

A permit allows a person to reside in (live in, have their home in) Switzerland.
There is a range of types of permit, but you do not apply for a particular one: the authorities decide that and issue you with the appropriate permit for your circumstances.

Your steps are:
  1. Do all it takes to obtain the D-Visa, as per the instructions you've been given. Never hesitate to re-submit the same document again, if asked. Don't trouble yourself trying to persuade the Embassy in your country "but they said in Switzerland it's all okay, so I don't need to give you anything", just enclose that nicely comforting letter from Winterthur saying it's all okay, AND ALSO re-supply anything and everything for which the Embassy asks. They have to tick their boxes, after all.
  2. Enter Switzerland with that D-Visa and a passport that will be valid for some time beyond your date of entry.
  3. Upon arrival, go down to the municipal offices with your wife-to-be and all the same bundle of documents you've already previously submitted, plus perhaps her rental contract and her employment contract.
  4. You will either automatically be issued with a permit right then and there, or you will be told that it will be processed.
  5. Proceed with your plans to marry.

You'll have to check whether you first need to have the permit to be allowed to marry, or whether you first need to marry in order to be issued the permit; I don't know this.

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Re: Remarrying my Swiss Ex-Wife

ok. i'm curious. what on earth made you divorce in the first place and what has changed that makes it not a factor?

just need to know so that i can write my romcom movie script based on this story. thanks.
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doropfiz, thank you so much for giving us your time and answer!
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To add to the above about the difference between visas and permits:

You use your D-visa to enter Switzerland. Then, you must not exit Switzerland again until you are issued with your permit.

If, by a week or so before your D-visa is due to expire, you still have not been given your permit (this is unlikely, but does occasionally happen), go down to the offices again (taking all your papers, again, and with your wife-to-be and all her papers) and ask them if you may please have an extension on your D-visa, so as to wait for your permit.

Such an extension will almost always be given immediately, as a matter of course, but must be requested. And that request should be made before the D-visa expires.

Once you hold your permit, you no longer need any Swiss visas, and are free to [leave and] re-enter Switzerland at any time, because it will have become your place of residence.

Thereafter, never leave Switzerland without your permit. When you re-enter Switzerland, you may be asked to show your passport and your permit.

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