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Old 14.08.2020, 19:22
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I am an Italian citizen traveling back and forth from Italy to see my Swiss wife. Can I get hit with an overstay is CH? And I really don't want a Swiss permit.
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Old 14.08.2020, 22:10
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Depends on how long you stay for. Max at a time is 90 days as a tourist, then you shouldn't return for another 90 days. But being EU it's difficult to apply that when there are no entry/exit checks at the border.
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Old 14.08.2020, 22:26
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As long as you are not staying for huge chunks of time, where you could be considered resident. If you’re coming every weekend, or a week here and a week there, so clearly a tourist, then you’ll be fine.
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Re: Italian Traveling Back and Forth To See My Swiss Wife And...

As a tourist you are allowed a max 90 days for any given 180 day period.

But there might be more: Residency is, amongst others things, defined as were your center of life is. If you come here each Friday evening, to be the whole weekend with your wife than Switzerland might bee seen as you center of life, specially if your other accommodation is just a small apartment.

Be aware that there are several definition of residency depending on the purpose (tax, immigration, social security etc. ) and the one of Switzerland and the one of Italy might not be mutually compatible with each other (safe the one for social security).
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Depends on how long you stay for. Max at a time is 90 days as a tourist, then you shouldn't return for another 90 days. But being EU it's difficult to apply that when there are no entry/exit checks at the border.
Your right, I have been coming and going so much. I have no accounting of it. But, the police want to talk to me about it all the same. I am normally confident, but I scared right now...

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Depends on how long you stay for. Max at a time is 90 days as a tourist, then you shouldn't return for another 90 days. But being EU it's difficult to apply that when there are no entry/exit checks at the border.
I am confused, I thought we had freedom of movement? What do you think I should do? Or what do you think will happen?

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Be aware that there are several definition of residency depending on the purpose (tax, immigration, social security etc. ) and the one of Switzerland and the one of Italy might not be mutually compatible with each other (safe the one for social security).
OH you're completely right. It's completely SCREWED. As an American I have a CBT, Then, I pay for my comune in Italy. If I got the B permit in Switzerland I would be taxed 3 times on the same income...

Now the police want to meet with me next Saturday. For god sakes, what is going to happen? Should I get a swiss lawyer? I'm scared..

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Re: Italian Traveling Back and Forth To See My Swiss Wife And...

How much time have you been spending there? You do have freedom of movement, but that doesn’t mean you can just live in Switzerland without registering. So if you’ve been spending more than 50% of the year in Switzerland, you might have problems. That said, how do the police know and how have they contacted you? Sounds like a nosey neighbour!
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Old 15.08.2020, 17:31
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How much time have you been spending there? You do have freedom of movement, but that doesn’t mean you can just live in Switzerland without registering. So if you’ve been spending more than 50% of the year in Switzerland, you might have problems. That said, how do the police know and how have they contacted you? Sounds like a nosey neighbour!
And thus why we're not necessarily joking on EF when someone asks "but how will the authorities know" and we answer "neighbors".

Sounds like the Swiss suspect you're spending enough time here that you should register as a resident.
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Old 15.08.2020, 17:34
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I am confused, I thought we had freedom of movement? What do you think I should do? Or what do you think will happen?
You do, but if you're here for more than 90 days at a time then you have to register as being a resident of Switzerland - which would get you a Swiss permit. And mean you'd probably have to get Swiss health insurance too since it's mandatory for all residents.

Sounds to me like you need to uncomplicate your life and either you move here permanently or your wife moves to Italy permanently.
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How much time have you been spending there? You do have freedom of movement, but that doesn’t mean you can just live in Switzerland without registering. So if you’ve been spending more than 50% of the year in Switzerland, you might have problems. That said, how do the police know and how have they contacted you? Sounds like a nosey neighbour!
They showed up at the front door :msn shock: Do you think I will get fined? Lose my B permit that I was going to get? Or worse? Do I have any rights with my Swiss wife?

And Yes, it can be like Stasi central here.

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And thus why we're not necessarily joking on EF when someone asks "but how will the authorities know" and we answer "neighbors".

Sounds like the Swiss suspect you're spending enough time here that you should register as a resident.
Wishes, what is the best and worst-case scenario you think? If anyone wants to chime in, please..

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I am an Italian citizen traveling back and forth from Italy to see my Swiss wife. Can I get hit with an overstay is CH? And I really don't want a Swiss permit.
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OH you're completely right. It's completely SCREWED. As an American I have a CBT, Then, I pay for my comune in Italy. If I got the B permit in Switzerland I would be taxed 3 times on the same income...

Now the police want to meet with me next Saturday. For god sakes, what is going to happen? Should I get a swiss lawyer? I'm scared..
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And Yes, it can be like Stasi central here.
You have no idea how the Stasi worked if you compare your situation to their working.

Are you Italian or American?
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Wishes, what is the best and worst-case scenario you think? If anyone wants to chime in, please..
Depends on what they want to see you about. Could be you being here too long, could be that you shouldn't be travelling back and forth from Italy with the current virus situation. Could be something else entirely.
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Sounds to me like you need to uncomplicate your life and either you move here permanently or your wife moves to Italy permanently.
If this goes down badly, I maybe stuck in Italy Do I have any rights at all with my Swiss wife? How do they look at that?
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If this goes down badly, I maybe stuck in Italy Do I have any rights at all with my Swiss wife? How do they look at that?
Dude, relax. You're not going to jail. They probably want to ask you questions that will establish whether you're actually resident here and not in Italy. I don't know the rules, but if they add up more than 90 days out of 180 then you're over on tourist numbers. If they add up more than 180 days of the year, then they'll say you're supposed to be resident here.

Try your best before this interview to think back and add up your days, and see where you're at.
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Do you think I will ........ Lose my B permit that I was going to get?
Come again??
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Are you Italian or American?
Both Itailn and American. My father was Swiss but the paperwork is in California.

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Come again??
Yes, I know that is confusing, I only got married last week. In Denmark. Now, I will get the CLN on my American citizenship - Then the B permit. That will cut lose the CBT on me. Then I will be taxed on location. This whole bad luck deal could blow it up.

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I only got married last week. In Denmark. Now, I will get the CLN on my American citizenship
That can take a year or more.

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I don't get it? Why wait until you have renounced your US citizenship, before becoming resident in Switzerland? Either you pay tax in Italy & US, or CH & US whilst you wait. Don't see how it makes much difference.
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That can take a year or more.

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Only if they're very slow doing the paperwork once you've renounced.

Looking at the embassy site here in Switzerland you can get an appointment in 3-6 weeks once you have all the documents needed. Once you renounce then it's how long it takes for the paperwork to go to the States and then get the confirmation back again. Took 6 weeks from renouncing to getting my CLN when I did it back in 2013, but might be longer I guess due to the virus situation. A year or more though - seriously doubt it.

OP needs to check the US embassy website in Italy to see how long it would take him there.
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I don't get it? Why wait until you have renounced your US citizenship, before becoming resident in Switzerland? Either you pay tax in Italy & US, or CH & US whilst you wait. Don't see how it makes much difference.

If you take up residence in Italy, you need to pay tax. Then, for me, I also have a CBT that I need to pay. My stepson wants his green card that's why I waited.

Monkey, What do you think is going to happen in my case?
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If you take up residence in Italy, you need to pay tax. Then, for me, I also have a CBT that I need to pay. My stepson wants his green card that's why I waited.

Monkey, What do you think is going to happen in my case?
Yes. But if you moved to Switzerland you would no longer be resident in Italy, therefore would be paying tax in Switzerland not in Italy.

I don’t know what will happen!
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