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[Zurich] Non-EU concubine permit with my B permit... What are our options?

Hi all I am a EU national living in Zurich on a B permit, while my girlfriend is Taiwanese resident in Japan. The plan was to move together this year but Covid messed up our plans. Anyway, after a few months of pain my girlfriend finally managed to arrive in Zurich and we are now enjoying some vacation.

Time to think about the next steps. As far as we understand she can stay (on a tourist visa) for a maximum of 90 days in a 180-day period (which means at most 6 consecutive months). But she'll need to go back to Japan at some point to graduate and moving stuff. What are our options (beyond marriage) for a more long-term solution?

I've read somewhere that Zurich allows for concubine permits as long as I can guarantee support for both of us. Does this necessarily imply that she gets residence in Zurich? Ideally she would like to keep her residence in Japan for now, and only get domicile permit in Switzerland until March or so when she graduates (she would work remotely at my place). Any chance we can make this work? Also: can she start looking for a job on a concubine permit?

Otherwise the other option would be: she stays here for three months, then she goes back to Japan, and then she comes back after graduation. But again, ideally she would like to search for a job during that time.

On a side note: would marriage simplify our situation at all?

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Re: [Zurich] Non-EU concubine permit with my B permit... What are our options?

Keep visiting as a tourist until she graduates. Concubine permit is for unmarried couples and means she needs to be living here permanently, not moving back and forth. Once she graduates you could then apply for a concubine permit which would allow her to live here and possibly get a job if she can find one. You would have to agree to be financially responsible for her for 5 years and also need to prove the relationship is a long lasting, committed one ideally leading to marriage.
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Ideally she would like to keep her residence in Japan for now, and only get domicile permit in Switzerland until March or so when she graduates (she would work remotely at my place). Any chance we can make this work?
No such thing. It's a residence permit, or a tourist visa I'm afraid and a tourist visa in Covid times does not guarantee that she will be allowed in if things go pear shaped.
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Re: [Zurich] Non-EU concubine permit with my B permit... What are our options?

Given her current studies in Japan, it would be better that she visits Switzerland from time to time as a tourist for now, finishes her studies in Japan and seek for other solutions (e.g. concubine permit, student permit, marriage, etc.)

I also want to point out that the concubine permit doesn't exactly come easily for a non-EU citizen. If your girlfriend was a EU citizen, it is true that you just need to sign a paper guaranteeing that you'd take care of her financially no matter what happens (including if you guys break up). But since she is not a EU citizen, you will need to submit proofs proving a long-standing relationship and a common life together. The latter, as far as I know, mean that you two must have lived together for a certain number of years. Have you? Would you have proofs to provide, e.g. rental contracts with both your names on it?
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...As far as we understand she can stay (on a tourist visa) for a maximum of 90 days in a 180-day period (which means at most 6 consecutive months).
Careful with that - six consecutive months is 180 days out of 180 days. My understanding is that it's max 90 days in followed by at least 90 days out. She's only been here a month based on your other thread, so you're not in a bind yet in terms of accidentally overstaying.
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Re: [Zurich] Non-EU concubine permit with my B permit... What are our options?

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Keep visiting as a tourist until she graduates.
Yes, this would be our standard solution, the only issue is Covid... given how hard was for us to manage to meet after 5 months, our fear is that borders get closed again. I saw that Switzerland has recently adopted an entry exception for unmarried couples who can prove a longstanding relationship, but there is still the issue that she is not a Japanese citizen, so Japan might refuse her re-entry (for example, right now she is basically stuck here in Switzerland, as Japan won't allow her to go back, although we expect that they will add an exemption for residents soon)

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No such thing. It's a residence permit
Yes, I think you're right well, makes sense after all.

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you two must have lived together for a certain number of years. Have you? Would you have proofs to provide, e.g. rental contracts with both your names on it?
No, but I could show plenty of pictures, emails, plane ticket, AirBnB reservations and other stuff dating back to 2018, so I hope that wouldn't be an issue (but probably depends on the mood of the day of the official who has to approve the request... sigh)

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Careful with that - six consecutive months is 180 days out of 180 days.
Jeez, you're right, I did the math too hastily! So, basically if we want to do it in the long-ish term an easy solution would be something like X days here, X days outside, then again X here, etc., where X is at most 90. Question: do you know if this limit applies to all the Schengen area? Because otherwise we could do something like 45 days here, 45 in Italy and so on.
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Re: [Zurich] Non-EU concubine permit with my B permit... What are our options?

Yes, it applies to the whole of Schengen. And if you overstay badly enough to be banned from entering Switzerland for X number of years that also applies to the whole of Schengen.

There is no way around this. She visits as a tourist for up to 90 days then doesn't come here for at least another 90 days. It's the only way she can move back and forth until she graduates and can move here permanently providing a concubine permit is granted.

There is a short stay calculator here (if you can work out how it works)

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...tsrechner.html
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Re: [Zurich] Non-EU concubine permit with my B permit... What are our options?

Did you apply for the Concubine Visa already? I would be interested in your experience...
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Re: [Zurich] Non-EU concubine permit with my B permit... What are our options?

Hi, no, at the end we decided to keep juggling with the tourist visa for now... the reason is that as I wrote above there is no way around the fact that my girlfriend cannot move her residence outside of Japan before she finishes her studies.

In a few days she will go back to Japan (which in the meantime has reopened the borders to foreign resident students) and then she'll be back to Switzerland around end November again for a couple of months.

In the case that Japan is again declared a high-risk country in the next 2 months we will use the recently adopted Swiss exception rules that apply to unmarried long-term partners. We already got informed how to provide the necessary documentation for her re-entry in Switzerland as a tourist in November.

After she graduates and she moves to Switzerland then we'regoing to inquire further about the concubine visa.

Sorry I cannot be of further help for now, will post again if I have more info.
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Re: [Zurich] Non-EU concubine permit with my B permit... What are our options?

Just a quick update on this. She managed to get here in December, again we had to juggle a bit around travel restrictions but worked okay.


Concubine visa is kind of tricky, so we decided to get married soon instead
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