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My husband is having EU passport, and B permit (me as well) who expired on the 5/6.
He also got fired, and his last day at work will be on the 30/11.
The immigration lets us stay here until this date, hopefully he will find a job until then and they will extend his visa,but there is a chance that he will not .
I have a few questions, maybe you can help me..
1.Do you know if the RAV will support him and pay unemployment benefits?
2.How does its effect the extension of the visa? how long the immigration will extend our visa?
Is someone was in the same situation as us?
Because I know that the RAV normally pay ppl with valid visa..
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Old 21.08.2020, 18:20
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Hi
My husband is having EU passport, and B permit (me as well) who expired on the 5/6.
He also got fired, and his last day at work will be on the 30/11.
The immigration lets us stay here until this date, hopefully he will find a job until then and they will extend his visa,but there is a chance that he will not .
I have a few questions, maybe you can help me..
1.Do you know if the RAV will support him and pay unemployment benefits?
2.How does its effect the extension of the visa? how long the immigration will extend our visa?
Is someone was in the same situation as us?
Because I know that the RAV normally pay ppl with valid visa..
Thank you
Riki
Not sure if I understand. Your husband works despite not having a valid permit and now has been fired?
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Hi
My husband is having EU passport, and B permit (me as well) who expired on the 5/6.
He also got fired, and his last day at work will be on the 30/11.
The immigration lets us stay here until this date, hopefully he will find a job until then and they will extend his visa,but there is a chance that he will not .
I have a few questions, maybe you can help me..
1.Do you know if the RAV will support him and pay unemployment benefits?
2.How does its effect the extension of the visa? how long the immigration will extend our visa?
Is someone was in the same situation as us?
Because I know that the RAV normally pay ppl with valid visa..
Thank you
Riki
Your post is confusing because you do not say how long have you been working.

You need 12 months working for RAV. Also the permit is strange. So your permit expired and you did not renew?
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Re: Permit and RAV benefits

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Thanks for your reply, I will eplain..

My husband has worked here in the last 5 years, so he can claim fir unemployment benefits.. but the visa is finished on the 5/6, because his work contract will finish on the 30/11 (visa dependsd on his work contract) the migration let us stay here until he will finish his contract or if he will find a job that let him stay..
But I heard that he can get RAV benefits because he worked here and his visa related to the job...and in the moment he will get RAV the migration will extend it (the number of months / years depending on how.many days he will get from.RAV)
My question if someone was in the same situation before?
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Thanks for your reply, I will eplain..

My husband has worked here in the last 5 years, so he can claim fir unemployment benefits.. but the visa is finished on the 5/6, because his work contract will finish on the 30/11 (visa dependsd on his work contract) the migration let us stay here until he will finish his contract or if he will find a job that let him stay..
But I heard that he can get RAV benefits because he worked here and his visa related to the job...and in the moment he will get RAV the migration will extend it (the number of months / years depending on how.many days he will get from.RAV)
My question if someone was in the same situation before?
Thanks
Still not clear to me. You say that his permit has expired and he still works. RAV will only kick in when you no longer work, not now. If his permit is linked to his job, which is unusual for an EU person, how come it was not extended when he still has his job?
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Old 21.08.2020, 19:56
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Re: Permit and RAV benefits

Ask at the ALK.

Anyway, it's permit, not a visa.

So, they extended his permit? Otherwise, he CANNOT work!

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Still not clear to me. You say that his permit has expired and he still works. RAV will only kick in when you no longer work, not now. If his permit is linked to his job, which is unusual for an EU person, how come it was not extended when he still has his job?
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The immigration doesn't want to give us an extension, because he will leave his job soon, and they need to see any income that comes in to let him stay, he can stay here only if he will Find a job., or getting income from the RAV.
This is what I don't understand, I always thought that if you are European( regardless to your work status )you will get a new visa for 5 years when its expire.. But this is not the case.
Now the immigration says that he can claim for unemployment benefits( he worked here in the last 5 years), the question is for how long? Because its will effect our feature permit..
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Old 21.08.2020, 20:26
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The immigration doesn't want to give us an extension, because he will leave his job soon, and they need to see any income that comes in to let him stay, he can stay here only if he will Find a job., or getting income from the RAV.
This is what I don't understand, I always thought that if you are European( regardless to your work status )you will get a new visa for 5 years when its expire.. But this is not the case.
Now the immigration says that he can claim for unemployment benefits( he worked here in the last 5 years), the question is for how long? Because its will effect our feature permit..
Again, how come he has been working without a permit? If he is from the EU, extending the permit at that time and when he has still working should have been easy. So why did he not extend/or get a new one in time?
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Old 21.08.2020, 20:39
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The immigration doesn't want to give us an extension, because he will leave his job soon, and they need to see any income that comes in to let him stay, he can stay here only if he will Find a job., or getting income from the RAV.
This is what I don't understand, I always thought that if you are European( regardless to your work status )you will get a new visa for 5 years when its expire.. But this is not the case.
Now the immigration says that he can claim for unemployment benefits( he worked here in the last 5 years), the question is for how long? Because its will effect our feature permit..
He's eligible for 400 days spread over 2 years since he's worked here that long. Strange though that they didn't extend the permit though; as an EU national it shouldn't be a problem given that his employment ends 5 months after the permit expired.

Still the rules changed for getting and keeping permits last year. So maybe that's why they didn't extend it.
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Old 21.08.2020, 21:41
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Re: Permit and RAV benefits

EU citizens do not need visas in Switzerland.

EU citizens need residence permits, and should have valid ones at least being processed while working. The residence permit is not tied to a specific employer, it's based on being able to support yourselves.

Sorry, your story is just not making much sense so it's difficult to offer relevant info.
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Re: Permit and RAV benefits

Pretty clear to me.

Husband's worked here for 5 years, but his permit expired in June. Cantonal authorities don't want to give him a new one because his current job is finishing at the end of November. They've said they can stay here until his job finishes or he finds a new one. He's entitled to apply for RAV when he finishes working since he's been here long enough.

The only thing I don't understand is how his permit is dependent on his employment since he's an EU national. That simply isn't the case unless he's from Romania, Bulgaria or Croatia. They were/are under quota limits for permits, but I would have thought for Romania/Bulgaria renewing a permit wouldn't be a problem now they're full EU members. Croatia it might.
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My husband is having an Hungarian passport.
The immigration said that they will not extend his permit( sorry not visa!!!my mistake) as long as he don't have any job,this is the case..( they need to see income)Don't ask me why,because I don't know as well.. ,so now we need to claim for unemployment benefits
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Again, how come he has been working without a permit? If he is from the EU, extending the permit at that time and when he has still working should have been easy. So why did he not extend/or get a new one in time?

In June when we wanted to renew our permit,the immigration office ask to see his work contact
They saw he got fired ,so they decided not to extend it after the 30/11( his last day of work)
Now he is working with a temporary permissions until.the 30/11.
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Re: Permit and RAV benefits

That sounds very tough.



He needs to talk to RAV immediately to check whether he is entitled to unemployment insurance. Then they may extend his permit if he is entitled, as that would count as 'income' - I assume the salary is enough to support you both ?
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My husband is having an Hungarian passport.
The immigration said that they will not extend his permit( sorry not visa!!!my mistake) as long as he don't have any job,this is the case..( they need to see income)Don't ask me why,because I don't know as well.. ,so now we need to claim for unemployment benefits
Well, he can't do that until he finishes working at the end of November. In the meantime he needs to look for another job and apply for them. As soon as you know you're going to be out of a job, it's your responsibility to try and find a new one as soon as possible.

https://www.ch.ch/en/unemployment-ri...d-obligations/

https://www.ch.ch/en/registering-unemployed/
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Again, how come he has been working without a permit? If he is from the EU, extending the permit at that time and when he has still working should have been easy. So why did he not extend/or get a new one in time?
I donít see where you get the idea that he is working without a permit! The problem arises because the renewal of a five year B permit for an EU citizen requires a demonstration of economic viability, for 99.99% of the people this does not even arise. Unfortunately it seem that this person was fired at the worsted possible moment in time.
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He needs to talk to RAV immediately to check whether he is entitled to unemployment insurance. Then they may extend his permit if he is entitled, as that would count as 'income' - I assume the salary is enough to support you both ?
This. I have a vague recollection of it happening to someone else in the past... I think they needed to register with the RAV and get a statement from them stating his entitlement once he finished working.
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I donít see where you get the idea that he is working without a permit! The problem arises because the renewal of a five year B permit for an EU citizen requires a demonstration of economic viability, for 99.99% of the people this does not even arise. Unfortunately it seem that this person was fired at the worsted possible moment in time.
Wouldnít it be extended then until the end of November? Always thought it was pretty clear you need a permit to work if you are not Swiss
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Hi
My husband is having EU passport, and B permit (me as well) who expired on the 5/6.
He also got fired, and his last day at work will be on the 30/11.
The immigration lets us stay here until this date, hopefully he will find a job until then and they will extend his visa,but there is a chance that he will not .
I have a few questions, maybe you can help me..
1.Do you know if the RAV will support him and pay unemployment benefits?
2.How does its effect the extension of the visa? how long the immigration will extend our visa?
Is someone was in the same situation as us?
Because I know that the RAV normally pay ppl with valid visa..
Thank you
Riki
Hello! For extending the B Permit, he should just file the form for extending it. Authorities could issue a new B Permit just for one year in case a worker has been out of employment for 12 consecutive months. Otherwise, they should just renew it for 5 more years. Based on the information you give, he should get a new 5-year B permit. Just ask the authorities, possibly in a friendly manner, on what legal basis they denied the extension. If there is any other information which you did not share, this might change the situation, but usually authorities extend EU B permits quite easily.
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Hello! For extending the B Permit, he should just file the form for extending it. Authorities could issue a new B Permit just for one year in case a worker has been out of employment for 12 consecutive months. Otherwise, they should just renew it for 5 more years. Based on the information you give, he should get a new 5-year B permit. Just ask the authorities, possibly in a friendly manner, on what legal basis they denied the extension. If there is any other information which you did not share, this might change the situation, but usually authorities extend EU B permits quite easily.
They don't even have to give him a one year B, they could give him an L for a few months. I extended a job contract just for a few weeks once, still had to renew my L permit.
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